Hey Rex...shut up

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Just like I thought, you read as well as you know football. I never said he was a great coach and how could he destroy a franchise that was already destroyed?
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    While your first line is amusing - I saw what you did there - and while i have evolved to the point where I accept that if the O does not get turned around this season, Schotty will have to get thrown under the bus, I do have a question for you.

    Did it ever occur to you that Ryan thinks Schotty is working with the limitations that Sanchez presents and brings to the table?

    I think what opposing D's do AT LEAST IN PART is look at game film of Sanchez. They see what plays he seems to do well in, and if his own approach to the game (to put it euphemistically) makes certain plays less successful than otherwise. In other words, it's not like opposing DC's and their staffs consider the Jets' schemes and playcalling SEPARATE from the Jet players.

    Let's just assume that you have a Qb who (like Chad) could not throw the 20 yard out pass with any speed or accuracy, and who as a consequence did not throw it. Your preparing to play against that Qb. Do you fear that the opponent's OC will suddenly change up his playcalling, try and surprise you, pull a rabbit out of his hat and start throwing 20 yard out passes?

    No. You don't fear that. Why? Because your film shows you the Qb can't throw that pass with any consistency, does not do so, and is not about to gain the arm strength from the games you are watching film of to begin to throw that pass.

    In fact you would be a fool to prepare for that, shifting your defense to defend it.

    The point is that Schotty's plays can't be separated from who he has to make them.

    And going back to Ryan, is it sheer stupidity or stubbornness that leads him to keep Schotty? Or maybe it's something like I suggest?

    I am not saying Ryan is incapable of being wrong. Not at all. But he doesnt' strike me as a stupid man. And as for stubbornness, that is on the same spectrum in a case of this sort as loyalty. At some point too much loyalty becomes hard to distinguish from being stubborn. Perhaps Ryan is being too loyal, or became too loyal, at some point when it comes to Schotty.

    But I think we have to acknowledge here that at least a part of Ryan's thinking has to be that some of the limitations in Schotty's O are attributable to Sanchez's weaknesses.
     
  3. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Huh? filler...edwards...filler...
     
  4. Tenn_JetsFanatic

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    I don't blame Rex for execusion during the game, I blame the players. It really did look like some of them gave up and Sanchez was playing like he was scared.
     
  5. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Then shame on our coaching staff..and shame on Rex...and a big shame on Schotty.

    What is it with NY and protecting a qb? I got that the first year...but this is a Jet thing..predictability. I truly believe that.

    Some franchises go decades being defined who they are...no matter what changes they make. We have been cursed with being predictable on offense since the game Vinny went down. The offense under Charlie Weiss was the last creative offense this team has had.

    Enter Hackett..along with you know who as the head coach...all the way to Schotty...and this team with a laundry list of reasons, plays it close to the vest in the passing game until all is lost..late in a game when we are down.

    There is no excuse besides last weeks deplorable offensive line performance, that a team with the weapons we have had, plays it so close to the vest.

    I totally get your point about Pennington and his faults and the scheme to beat him. I get that. But even Pennington never had the threats that this team has now. If this is all to protect Sanchez..then when..when does that end. My point all along is that if its Sanchez..thats a huge problem. Its easier to truly find out by getting rid of the Mr 3 step Schotty and really finding out.
     
  6. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree. My point behind the thread was not for execution...but to shut the f up and play football. I know its not a popular thing to say because we all love Rex...but enough is enough. If this team ends up making the playoffs with an early exit..trust me..the line will get very long with people telling him to stifle it.
     
  7. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Again, I do not think Schotty is above criticism. Hardly. But if the question since Ryan got here, not coincidentally Sanchez's rookie year, is why does Ryan "put up with" the offensive schemes, we have to factor Sanchez's limitations into it. Otherwise as I said you have to conclude Ryan is stupid or doesn't know how to do his job, what it requires.

    You are suggesting of course that Sanchez should have by now been able to grow beyond the limitations from his rookie year and even last year. So far he has not shown that, imo. He may still. But development of the offensive scheme into something that will make better use of such weapons as Holmes and Burress will depend, in part, on Sanchez's improving.
     
  8. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Ok BB..thats a fair assessment..but heres a question for all of those people, who may be dead on, saying that it is the limitations of Sanchez that reflect the play calling. Who else? Name another qb who is treated this way? Name another qb in his 3rd year that has ever been treated with such kid gloves?

    I guess its a real fine line between the "lets keep this kids mistakes to a minimum" camp and the "plays are designed in such a way that the kid has to be perfect with so many throws because of the lack of originality"

    I firmly believe that their have been some decent qb's in the NFL that have flourished because of great offensive schemes. I truly believe that this kid is forced, week in and week out, to make very difficult throws because of the simplicity of the scheme.

    Believing anything else, in year 3, is basically admitting that this kid is not the qb of the future for this franchise..and a search should begin this off season to correct it.
     

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