Here's why we lost in a nutshell

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  1. Jet Blue

    Jet Blue New Member

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    Ditto here...

    Ever since we went onto Oakland with Favre and passed almost the entire 1st half Vs the worst Run D in the NFL....

    Jesus...


    If I could meet Rex Ryan.. The ONLY thing I could say to him right now is..

    WTF HAPPENED TO GROUND AND POUND????????????????????????????????????????????

    Come on guy...


    I'm starting to think we could be fine without Shotty and just becoming an in your face no-nonsense offense... Add more OL and let r rip.....

    Yeah, there's a time and place for Paul Hacket and we needed Paul Hacket this year. Cannot believe I'm saying that.
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Lemme see here. Jags missed a FG, and scored one at the end instead of a TD because they wanted time to run out. I add up that's over 30 points the D had essentially given up, and the answer is fire BS?

    Wow.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I was all over this yesterday. Schotty coaches like a prick sometimes. A play-action bomb on the first down from scrimmage? Play-action works WHEN YOU HAVE RUN THE BALL. We hadn't even bothered to establish the run and already are assuming the other team is biting hard on the run.

    If Schotty had come into this game with a reputation of running the ball a lot early and did this, it could have been genius. But instead Schotty came into this game with the reputation of taking low-percentage shots downfield early, with the reputation of using trickery rather than misdirection, and he simply got owned by Del Rio and company.

    Schotty had the opportunity to set the tone of the game with the first possession and ram the ball down the throat of Jax's defense, and he got cute early and the Jags showed him how it's done. The Jags showed him how to run the ball and get ahead early.

    Unfortunately, the Jets got out-coached on the defensive side for most of the first half and only adjusted at halftime, and got beaten at the end of the game. Rex failed to set the tone by running too much of a zone defense in the first half and that young wideout Sims-Walker carved those zones up. The Jets also had Lowery at 2CB and he got abused.
     
  4. Br4d

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    The other thing in retrospect that I see from yesterday is that Sanchez really isn't particularly good at play action at this point. There were a half dozen plays where he just kind of swiped the ball at the back, made no real attempt to disguise the ball and dropped back an extra couple of steps before he set up, fooling nobody in the process.

    The Jets really need to wrap their heads around the fact that they do not have a young Peyton Manning here. There is no guarantee that he is going to turn into a good NFL QB, let alone a great one, and if they keep running a playbook that assumes he's a sure thing just waiting to happen they're probably going to crap out with him and be just a bad team for a half decade or so.
     
  5. AbdulSalam

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    our offense is being run poorly. we have a rookie qb who continues to throw INTs. Our D failed to make a big stop when it needed to. Those are the reasons we lost.
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You can chalk this up to Schotty's 'master philosophy'. He wants to score through the air in the red zone at will, hand-selected Sanchez for this specific role, and he wants the rookie to get used to it early. He uses the running game to get within passing distance of the goal line and that's how it will continue to be used unless we are on the goal line, and sometimes even when we are on the goal line.

    If the Jets plan on keeping Schottenheimer in place for the foreseeable future, they will probably continue to let Sanchez work through his mistakes to see as soon as possible if he is the goods. The Jets went high-risk/high-reward when they traded up for him, so it will either pay off big or explode in their faces like we have seen before.

    But if the Jets are shaky about trusting their young franchise QB's development to Brian Schottenheimer, they need to cut bait as soon as possible and get a stable offensive structure for Sanchez to develop in. And I'm certainly not sure that guy would be Callahan.
     
  7. Br4d

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    Callahan's greatest success came with an aging all-pro QB in his mid-30's. Whether he could develop Sanchez or not is an unknown.
     
  8. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The other thing I forgot to address is Sanchez' play-action. He's inconsistent, sometimes he will execute an excellent play-fake and run a bootleg for a wide-open look at the field, other times he has trouble selling his fakes at all. Jekyll and Hyde.

    My biggest problem with his development is his inability to execute a screen play. His timing is terrible on these plays and they are half-assed designed well most times. The Jets need to spend a lot more time with this guy getting his timing right on screens when teams are constantly sending the house.
     
  9. Hobbes3259

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    That all pro QB was developed by Paul Hackett. He may be out of Oakland this year....
     
  10. MBGreen

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    You raise a good point. This was evident when Sanchez miffed on that screen pass to TJones.....should've been an easy TD.

    Growing pains I guess....unfortunetly, I think we're gonna see miscues like this for the rest of the season....hopefully not at a high frequency.
     
  11. NDmick

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    i wish the playcalling would then be tailored to his strengths.

    3 to 5 step drops. Throwing over the middle and checkdowns, slant routes to Cotchery (what got the Jets to 3-0).

    Its disappeared since October.
     
  12. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I'd rather it be Cavanaugh in that case. He would know how to run a ball control offense like he did in Baltimore in 2000.

    He'd run Ryan's kind of offense, and protect the kid and let him grow. Callahan should be used in a consulting role at that point.

    The offensive coordinator just doesn't do what the HC wants.

    My speculation/dream wish is that Cavanaugh was brought in to be the QB coach this year, and if the OC hurt sanchez's progress the OC would be fired and Cavanaugh would take his place and run the Run, run, run, pass offense the way Ryan preached since June OTAs.
     
  13. Jet Blue

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    Calvin Pace: "From their 1st play of the game we were put in a predicament".

    The tone was definitely set with the 1st play from scrimmage by both teams...

    One tone was "we're coming and we're going to run it down your throat"...
     

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