have to both agree and disagree. Sure, going 2-14 for 2 years will net you draft picks to build a core nucleus of a team. But, 13 - 14 win seasons means that you have that core, but you are just missing the final 1 or 2 pieces. The teams that hover around 500 are ones to feel bad about. They won't get the draft picks, yet they are missing too many pieces to really do anything.
The pain from being so close and losing is worse than not being close at all. Something that I forget about frequently and that many fans do too is that the last two free agencies were hindered by the final four rules and the lockout. It put the team in tougher positions than we remember for free agency. It's not an excuse since the FO messed up with some decisions unrelated to those hindrances but they definitely changed any plans or strategies we had for a couple normal off seasons. So uh where did I ever santonio was one of the best in league? I clearly said he wasn't. I guess it doesn't matter what I write since you will just read whatever you want even if it clearly wasn't what I wrote.
So we're obviously not gonna agree, because there are a lot of guys on this list I think Holmes is just as good, or even better than, and that's fine. But I just wanna say for the record, I don't think Michael Crabtree should be anywhere near this list.
I thought it was pretty clear that his frustration was directed towards the coaches, not himself. I don't disagree entirely with people who say this is a non-story, because ultimately I don't think this incident will have any effect on how many games the Jets win this year. But I think you kind of have to be in denial to not see this as a diva move. It seems to me that he was trying to show up the team by making a scene in front of the media. It kind of looks like a power play to me, he's saying "keep me happy....or else" which doesn't make him a horrible human being or anything, he's just someone who has leverage and knows it.
Valid points. Like I said I am overly optimistic here. It was a diva move but I'm still holding out it was more frustration than a power play. You do make solid points that clearly it won't affect wins/losses but not a good start or look for his image. I also do think the media is out to get him a little by the way he treated them at the end of the season and his first interview this offseason. He stonewalled them and gave them nothing and basically said their reporting was wrong.
That was my point. The Jets are one of those teams that hovers around .500. They've been within a couple of games of .500 (6 to 10 wins) in 10 of the last 13 years. They had two 4 win seasons and an 11 win season other than those. Does it look good compared to the Cleveland Browns or Buffalo Bills? Of course it does but it's an endless cycle. The Jets manage to stay barely competitive with the elite teams and even when they get a reasonably high pick somehow they tend to blow it. For some people having their team in it almost every year but not good enough to win it is enough. Not for me though. I've been watching this team since 1970 and it's time they became a good team instead of always being the buzz team that turns out not to be good enough in the end.
since when is "support our troops" in a pro football contract? nice try how you snuck that in there -but not quite
Hey man, nothing wrong with being optimistic, it's what being a fan is all about I don't think the media targets him because of any personal animosity, but I think the way he carries himself and acts sometimes makes it easy for them to produce a story that generates interest (which is what their job really is)
Neither should Santonio Holmes. Diva WR's get to be divas because they are great. Holmes is a #2 diva WR. When his teammates are doing good he's good and occasionally great and when they're not he's mediocre and often invisible. Last season he spent a large part of the season being invisible. People talk about Sanchez being the reason that Holmes disappeared for stretches. Well, Holmes is one of the big reasons Sanchez didn't have a better season. If Holmes had been half as good as his rep he'd have gotten open often enough to help the offense establish some consistency. Instead he got doubled, and sometimes singled and removed from the game a lot. Paying Holmes $10 million a year is going to haunt the Jets for the next few years. because they still need a #1 WR and what they actually have is a #2 and a young guy who looks 2-ish also. I'd take any of the 20 guys I listed over Holmes in a heartbeat. I think if Holmes got hurt and couldn't play next year it'd be a zero-sum thing for the Jets. Some young guy playing hard to try to make it and no whining coming from the huddle. Sounds like an even trade to me.
I find this absurd. The small shred of credibility the Jets' passing attack has would instantly disappear if Holmes missed any significant time. We could argue all day about where he ranks in terms of other NFL WRs, but I don't think there is any question about his importance to the team. Do you know how many teams would feel comfortable with their corners in single coverage against players like Kerley, Turner, Schillens, or some raw rookie? Teams would crowd the LOS to stop the running game and tee off on Sanchez in passing situations. Holmes is one of the very few good skill position players on the team, losing him would be a drastic blow.
As fans, we follow the season one game at time. The season is played one game at a time. The season long standings are based on wins and losses in each game. Each game has intrinsic merit. During the week between games, the team you follow as a fan has either just won a game, or lost one. OF COURSE it is better if the team wins more games than loses them. Geez. When the game is played, fans really want to see their team lose for some abstract benefit, or reason? No real fan does.
You obviously didn't watch the Jets play very often last year. What opposing teams did was to crowd the line of scrimmage and tee off on Sanchez in passing situations. Holmes, like all of the other receivers, was lost in space all season. The other guys were all new to the team and had no off-season to adjust. One of the Jets veteran receivers managed to shake off the funk and have a productive season. That was Dustin Keller. the other guy who should have had his feet firmly on the ground instead slipped and foundered through the entire season, bitching at the press and eventually his teammates in the process. That was Santonio Holmes. In the Eagle game Holmes fumbled the first catch he made and had the second ball thrown to him go through his fingers and turn into an int further up the field. That's when he got really bitchy, because now it was his fault and instead of manning up he got more hostile to everybody else. If Holmes was hit by a car tomorrow I'd see it as a positive sign for the Jets offense next year.
Holmes is much more talented and important to the team than Keller is. They should have traded Keller.
I watched the Jets play plenty of times last year, and yes, teams did get very agressive with the Jets offense, but it would have been significantly worst without Holmes. Hell, last year's offense would look like Green Bay or New Orleans in comparison to what this year's team would do without Holmes. He's the only viable outside receiving threat, and he's a very dangerous weapon. The only reason he doesn't give defenses more trouble is because of the talent (or lack thereof) around him.
SOJFS and their brethren, chowd trolls all agree that Holmes is a cancer that must go Jet fans are happy to have one of the best wideouts in the NFL on their roster
Holmes' tenure as a Jet makes it perfectly clear why the Steelers gave him up for a low round draft pick. He has a ton of talent; but he is an epic complainer and pain in the ass.
I thought this thread was about Santonio Holmes. In what universe is he even among the top 20 in the league?
