henne vs sanchez and passing

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  1. Jam.

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    Really? Isn't the QB lined up wide, still making it 11 on 10?
     
  2. Royce Parker

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    Actually I think Rex and Co. will come back in full effect this week and squash your sorry asses into the turf.

    My tune has not changed. :jets::finssuck:
     
  3. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    CB still has to cover the QB in case of a fake. Most defenders won't intentionally let a player run down the field completely uncovered. Either that or the QB attempts a weak block. More often than not, those two just cancel each other out so you're at least left with a 10 on 10.
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    they actually sit Henne. He watches on the sidelines. so gay, so dolphin-esque.

    I come from a football mind of you have to have your QB on the field for 90% of the game in non special teams situations.

    Henne is on the field for around 80%....utter fail.
     
  5. Clown

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    The jets will force Henne ON the field and then OFF the field this game.
     
  6. Royal Tee

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    There were 2 Michigan picks I wanted. Long & Henne.

    We didn't get them so naturally, as a Michigan fan I was pissed.
    But to see them in Squeal Teal?
    Fuk that...I hope they get steamrolled!


     
  7. The Dark Knight

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    Why? Sadly, he has done well vs. the Jets in the last 2 games.
     
  8. hoobash

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    I am not afraid of the phins passing game if its there plan to beat us with the passing game then jets win
     
  9. abyzmul

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    I don't get how the Dolphins not knowing who their #1 and #2 receivers are is a bad thing for the Jets. That just means their receivers suck.
     
  10. zor

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    i think i'm going to have to agree with you... teams always stay with what works and in the dolphins' case it was the WC. i think the fins will make r.ryan prove he's actually found how to stop the WC before they abandon it. with miami, the WC sets up the pass, too, so they do have an incentive to continue pushing WC even though the jets prepare heavily for it. henne really does need some WRs he can throw to in conventional formations to really give the dolphins a chance at challenging (or suprising) teams with a pass happy game.

    great comments by everyone.

    zor
     
  11. zor

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    not sure that is the real advantage of WC. it has a couple of elements that make it a very challenging formation to defend. as you've seen, when RW34 runs across the field he is actually doing a couple things - he is
    1. uncovering zone vs manONman on defense
    2. he is providing misdirection on the play
    3. he is getting a running head start on a potential run play for himself
    4. simulating a kind of play action in case of an immediate pass play on RB23

    so ricky is really the entire mechanism of that formation... if he
    1. keeps the ball he's got a running head start to blow past the defensive end
    and if he beats the defensive end and the WR blocks the CB, he only needs to beat a safety (or possibly an OLB if the offensive line doesn't succesfully block him)

    2. if RB & RW sell the fake hand off it makes the LBs hesitate or even better chase RW, in which case RB should get some serious yardage if he gets past the line. in this case, only the free safety can have a shot at RB.

    3. now if RW is running and RB notices a defensive man stick to him across the field, RB will be aware of manONman coverage and possibly keep the ball, run left to his throwing side and wait for a receiver to beat out his manONman coverage - in this case, the safety has to make a quick decision to either give coverage on top or go after a potential running play. RB has the responsibility of making the decision quickly.

    4. faking the handoff could have some great benefits if the CBs provide a cushion to WRs because it can be an easy pass play while the defense tries to figure out who has the ball. a quick slant or WR screen would be perfect.


    the WC also has the benefit of making teams prepare for it...which means they have to take time from their normal defensive formations against conventional formations and focus strictly on a new formation. without the proper personel it gets difficult to even replicate the WC execution. so in this way, a defense practices for dolphins convetional formations LESS than they would otherwise have. this would be great for miami IF miami's conventional formations were as productive as WC - which i think they are starting to become (sans t.ginn they should be even more productive).

    WC is great for many reasons, including the one you said, it does put the defense at a disadvantage personel wise because WC is running play mostly and you have more offensive blocking at the line than the defense has. when you consider many defenses play with a roaming free safety 10 yards back against this formation, it does stack the advantage to the offense. if executed properly against a defense where they don't stack the line, the WC should ALWAYS get at least 5-7 yards.

    now if henne can just make defenses fear his arm and the WRs....
     
  12. zor

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    i can almost guarantee the dolphins will not risk Henne going out for a pass, ever.

    lining up henne is a dead give away that the pass is not going in that direction. that's why he always lines up to the RIGHT of r.brown...brown is left handed and throws to the left. henne just keeps a CB out there...doesn't even block him. watch the video, henne takes a step backward on those snaps and the play goes the other way.
     
  13. zor

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    this is pretty true. i think for fin fans who follow each game and know the receiver situation - this is good news for us.

    our #1 STARTING wide receiver...who we expect should have 5+ catches a game and have 70+ yards a game is TED GINN. through 6 games, the guy probably has about 6 catches or something....only ONE was a deep ball against revis. despite that catch, he's dropped about 3-4 TD passes this year that WERE catchable. he's actually caused defenses to score on us. and he's dropped balls in CRITICAL situations all year.

    removing him and replacing him with, albeit, less spectacular route runners and slower receivers THEY DO CATCH THE BALL. so i'll take 10 extra completions a game of 10 yards or less to ginn's one catch for 30 yards a game any day of the week. i'm expecting henne will have one of his most productive games this sunday.

    zor.
     
  14. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    As I said: PART of the advantage...

    And how could that not possibly be considered an advantage. The QB in a traditional offensive formation takes himself out of a running play if he's handing off, unless it's an end-around. Having the same guy take the snap and run the ball always evens out the number of blockers. As for having Pothead run the motion of the play, it's an advantage to have someone as good of an athlete as Ricky's toking ass in any formation. Ricky running in motion isn't the whole mechanism of the formation, it's a component in a jet option that's using two running backs instead of the typical QB/RB or QB/WR pairing that you find in a traditional option offense.

    Can you say WR pass option? The CB still has to stay there to cover the player, regardless of whether or not he runs down the field. If the CB ignores Henne and makes a break for Brown, Brown can still get a quick pass out to Henne/White who can immediately run out of bounds. Still, my post was more of a general comment regarding the formation, not specifically the dolphins. Henne probably wouldn't be split out right but I wouldn't put it over Sparano to run this formation with Pat White lined up at WR for a quick slant/in/out route.
     
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  15. Quack

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    Revis passed him off to the safety (Rhodes) who blew the coverage. Revis saw this and tried to catch up - Almost did, but almost equals a touchdown every time.
     
  16. ciscoholgate

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    Well, that "utter fail" lead to a W over the Jest.

    Come on, can't you guys see that the Wildcat is old school power football. How the hell is it gay? Last time we lined up our best 11 in the run ga,e and smacked the Jets in the mouth and we came out on top.

    Don't like it? Stop it. We'll see if the Jets D shows up this time or just run their mouths again.
     
  17. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    i'm a traditionalist.

    if the Jets ran the WC as much as you guys did I'd have a big problem with it.
     
  18. ciscoholgate

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    By traditionalist, you mean a west coast offense guy?

    Traditionally, the single wing is as "traditional" as it gets.
     
  19. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    what before the AFL introduced vertical offenses?

    I want a QB on the field beating a defense and the same for the other team. I don't like having QBs watch from the sidelines.
     
  20. ciscoholgate

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    If your QB is Marc Bulger or Jake Delhomme, you might. :rofl:

    Just keep in mind, not every QB plays on the level of Manning, Brees, or Brady.

    Great QBs are a rare commodity and I bet there are times you felt Sanchez belonged on the sideline (namely the 5 INT performace against the Bills). I bet there will be times I feel Henne should be on the sideline, just because QB is the toughest position to play in the NFL.
     

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