Have we ever had a trade where Jets ever came out on top?

He was an FA--I changed the question to anyone coming to NYJ from another team regardless of trade, FA, or waiver.

 

I agree with you on this basis: If we didn't trade Abraham, what center would we have instead of Mangold who we all loved. The cost-of-replacement for Abraham is apparently infinite since we've never replaced him.

EDIT: Another good FA signing was Faneca although one couldn't say he was better on NYJ than with the Steelers

 

Yeah--Hugh Douglas is one of the myriad of examples of players who played better on the other team than he did with the NYJ.

Here's one who didn't and was a good trade for NYJ--Matt Robinson to Broncos.

 

we traded a 5th for santonio. we also traded 2 scrubs and some late picks for braylon edwards. both of those worked out and got us to the AFC champ game in back to back years.
also a 5th for brandon marshall

 

You can't judge how good a trade was over what pick we received, rather than the player we got with that pick. Mangold was a brilliant player for us and a mainstay of our team through what passes for glory years in these parts. If we'd got the overall No. 1 pick for him and drafted a Ryan Leaf, would that have been a better trade? Draft picks are abstract until they solidify into a player.

And I hated to see Abraham go, but we had two top defenders (Ellis being the other) and we could only afford to hand out one big contract. That's the downside of getting a lot of No.1 draft picks. We got out to the predicament pretty damned well, trading Abraham and landing a really great centre who enjoyed a long career with us.

 

John Abraham trade netted us Nick Mangold, hard to call that asinine when we all se now what the value of a center and what the Jets line has become since he retired.

 

The Jets traded (not by choice) Bill Belichick to the Pats for picks that were ultimately used to select the following:

Shaun Ellis, DE
Jamie Henderson, DB
James Reed, DT

Ellis started 166 games, played in 184, and racked up 73.5 sacks and 83 TFLs in his career, so he was pretty good.
Henderson looked like he was going to be somebody until a motorcycle accident ruined his career and nearly took his life.
Reed was a guy. Not the worst thing you can be for a 7th round pick--he was a backup for the Jets and a few other teams for a handful of years.

Was it a good trade for the most successful HC of all time,to a team within the division? Not even close.
Was it a good trade for a guy who was dead set against working for Woody and would have probably sat on his couch rather than coached here? Maybe.

 

You can't judge a trade just based upon the players involved and how they subsequently performed. You need to also look at the make up of the talent around them at the time, and especially the CS. It's this latter aspect that usually determines whether a plyer works out or not, and if you look at the history of the Jets, more often than not, their talent and CS are below average. How can we expect anyone to come into a situation like that and succeed? Conversely, when you look at the players the Jets gave up to teams that were more historically successful than the Jets you usually see them do better on their new team, prompting Jets fans to wonder why we gave up more than we got? The answer to that lies not in the players involved, but in the environments they came or went to.

 

I get what you are saying--my objection to your and to the many others who hold this view is that I believe a trade for a draft pick is independent of who is actually picked.

For example, lets just say Adams turns out ok for Seattle and would have been the same as he was for NYJ. Getting 2 #1's for him is a good trade regardless if we get 2 ryan leafs. The trade was good--the player selection in the draft was poor. I think to evaluate a trade for picks it must be measured independently of who was picked.

Here's another example--you get a #1 by trade and he turns into Len Bias. Was that a bad trade?

 

I also get what you are saying, and I think it is reasonable to see a trade in abstract terms like this - two No. 1 ones does appear to be a good haul for Adams.

I think in the context of this thread, where the question was did we ever 'come out on top' in a trade, then the final outcome, judged years later, is most relevant.

But I agree your viewpoint is valid.

 

Fans wouldn't think twice about the Abraham trade if we would've tried to spend other early resources to fill the void he left. Instead we've ignored it for 13 years and counting since we whiffed on Gholston.

Regardless of what happens with the HOF voting and what not, Mangold should be a Hall of Famer and while Abraham has the compiled statistics and was a really good player - was he the best at his position for ten years like Mangold probably was?

The deal was good for the Jets.

 

Imagine this counter-example--we trade Q for a 6th round pick--bad trade--right?

Turns out we get Brady or AB--does that make the trade good?

 

Trading Keyshawn Johnson got us John Abraham, and then trading Abraham got us Nick Mangold. Johnson retired in 2006, and Mangold retired in 2016, so the original trade paid dividends for 10 years after Johnson's retirement.

 

Jamal was a great trade because he is quite the diva.