Hall of Famer Thinks Joe Klecko Deserves To Be In

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  1. mrjet80

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    No the Jets made a mistake no doubt. I just don’t think Marino would of had the stats he put up in Miami. But he was the better QB no doubt.
     
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    I believe he would have because Marino had a lighting quick release. Walker, Toon, and Shuler might have had HOF numbers. Plus O' Brien hung Toon ot to dry over the middle too many times. It could have been exciting times but we'll never know.
     
  3. Br4d

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    No way Marino is the same QB in NY that he was in Miami.

    People forget that Shula was the OB (Original Belichik.) He was a stickler for details with a formidable glower waiting to be unleashed on anybody who screwed up. He was exactly the right head coach for Marino and that's where the best pure passer in the NFL at the time evolved.

    Joe Walton would have treated Marino with deference the same way he did Ken O'Brien and the mistakes would never have gotten ironed out of his game. The NY nightlife would have been another problem with the legend of Joe Willie Namath preceding another guy with similar partying predilections.

    Any coach who was able to get Ken O'Brien to throw the ball away instead of waiting for somebody to get open when it wasn't going to happen would have turned him into an annual pro bowler. The only thing he was missing was that little clock in his head telling him the play was over and not to get hit hard again.
     
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    Without the injuries it's not borderline.
     
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  6. Br4d

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    Mattingly is another guy who should be in. .307 lifetime average in over 7000 AB and a truly feared hitter until the back problems in the late 80's. He was playing in the most charged up place in the sports world in Yankee Stadium in the mid-80's and he was MVP once and runner up the following year. For a half dozen years in the 80's he was one of the most recognizable baseball superstars in the middle of that Yankees lineup.

    The HoF voters spent 15 years arguing loudly about whether or not he should be in the Hall. When that happens the answer is always yes, technicalities be damned. When you can't talk about a sport for half a decade without talking about a guy he belongs in the Hall of Fame. That's why Joe Willie got in and it should have put Klecko and Mattingly in also.
     
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    Bo Jackson was the greatest running back I ever saw on Monday night football.
     
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    I remember seeing an interview with Delamellieure who played for the Bills for a long time and faced Klecko many times and he said it was a joke that Klecko isn't in the HOF. He said he was the strongest guy and one of the best he ever went up against. He said if Klecko fought a grizzly bear he would bet on Joe to win the fight. LOL.
     
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    Marino would have been the greatest QB to ever play in NY and would have been a legend. The Jets would have won a SB with Marino. Marino kept Shula in the league way past his expiration date.
     
  10. Br4d

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    Dan Marino became Dan Marino in his first 3 years with the Fins. They won 38 regular season games over that span and coming out of that there was no question that Marino was the best pure passer the NFL had ever seen. No rookie QB does what Marino did in '83. Not in that era. That was pure Shula making things work for his guy and Marino's natural talent backing it up. No rookie yips. No games where Marino got buried by a veteran defense. The talent around him was perfect for what he wanted to do.

    I am not a Shula fan at all. I think of him as a vain, strutting, peacock out there on the sideline, much like the Al Pacino character in Any Given Sunday. He was however the perfect head coach to hand Dan Marino too.
     
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    Dan Marino came off the bench in his first year and had 20 TD's and went 7 and 2. Shula had zero to do with his amazing natural talent and drive to win. Dan Marino may have been the greatest QB in NFL history who won't get his due because of his lack of SB. Shula and the Dolphins management squandered his talent. They surrounded him with B talent at WR. Marino with Toon and Walker would have dragged the Jets kicking and screaming to a championship.
     
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    Marino would have been great i believe no matter where he went.

    I always ask myself, what if we seen a QB/RB duo throughout the 90's of Dan Marino/Barry Sanders. Marinio never had that elite RB and Barry never had an elite QB (or O-Line).
     
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  13. AJW

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    Howie Long has been saying this for years. Nothing new.



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    He wears the bucket for a reason. Go look it up. I thought the same as you and then did some research and found out why.

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    I hope he can go in while he's still with us. Not like Winston Hill who will not be there to see his bust at Canton.
     
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    People who didn't see him play will look at the reel above and see it as a highlight film.

    Klecko went like that every play. He had the best motor I have ever seen on an NFL lineman and it was at full throttle until the whistle blew on every play. They talk about how a defensive line wears down when they have to rush the passer on every play. With Joe Klecko they were rotating guards against him inside because by the 4th quarter he was tiring them out not vice-versa.

    There were so many plays where Klecko's push just blew up the play without him even touching the ball carrier. The Jets-Fins game above has a Klecko sack of Marino in it. However the play that defined the game for me was Klecko, double-teamed and fighting through it when Miami's LG stepped on Dan Marino's ankle blowing up the play. Klecko had stuff like that happen dozens of times during his career. He'd be swimming inside trying to beat the double-team and suddenly the play was misdirected, blown up or otherwise hindered just because his effort was causing the offense to have to spend too much on him to think about what else was going on.
     
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    I wonder how some of the O'Brien critics would have felt about his career, had Marino
    been in the previous or following year's draft.

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  20. Biggs

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    I would have drafted Marino with or without O'Brien already on the roster if he was available. Wouldn't you? Donald Dykes career isn't one bit worse because he was drafted ahead of Joe Montana.
     

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