What has stopped the Mets from paying for players to win for their team over the years? Is it morals? Is it that they didn't have the money? The things the Yankees do puts them in a good position to win and make the playoffs year after year. Whats wrong with that and why is it always a key argument against the Yankees? Last time i checked-Beltran-Delgado-Pedro-Playoffs.
We'll find a place in the rotation for Zito and Matsuzuka... Amaris Ramirez would look awfully good as a bench player for us. Who the Mets gonna flop on this offseason? The return of Mo Vaughn?
he did help you get off to a great start and the Nl was a joke this year so yuo had it wrapped up in July. It stings doesn't it? that Beltran wanted to be a Met so bad that he went to the yanks before he signed the Mets offer and offered the yanks a less year and millions less. The yankees never set the bar for player contracts, they may overapy sometimes but they never sign ARod to that $25 mil deal, they don't sign brown to $120 mil deal. The reason it was brought up b/c a Met fan was whining about it forgetting you would be beattling for 4th place as usual if not for all your FAs and salary dumps. Oh and let's not forget your WS of 200 was 90% FAs and salary dumps. There were about 2-3 home grown guys and I think 1-2 key guys. I have to set the misinformed Met fans straight. they are so jealous of the yanks it clouds their judgement. it was the MET fan who brought up payroll and FAs yet they forget how their team was assembled.
GYC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This team is an embarrassment and until we rid the clubhouse of losres like ARod, Sheff, Matsui, Johnson and Msusina we'll be trapped in this for years.
This is so funny I don't even know what to say..... I can't even bring myself to say it. All I know is the Yankees are out of the playoffs and A Rod is a huge reason as to why. What has he done since the begining of the GYC? Junc I know you have hte stats... 5/40 with ZERO HRs and ZERO RBIS....
I think there is going to be a battle between the mets and the yankees for zito at the end of the season. IMO if the mets win the WS zito will be a met next season.
Matsui has been sold just hurt this season. I agree about the other the problem is there too old. The yankees need younger talent.
:rofl2: im sure beltran loves it in queens now. happy GYC, junc :beer: greatest lineup ever means nothing if your pitching sucks :breakdance:
I'm starting to wonder if GYC stands for Great Yankee Collapse of Great Yankee Curse. A Rod has cursed the Yankees for the next century with his 8th inning 3 run HR when the Yanks are up 12-2 against TB and his K with the bases loaded in game 2 of the ALDS. Randy Johnson has cursed the Yankees with his shove of a camera man and Carl Pavano has cursed the Yankees with his lack of health. Enjoy the offseason GYC.....
Fat man Mike F. just said this years loss was worse then GYC because at least you can respect the Bo-Sox... what say you GYC'ers?
Great Yankee Collapse I forgot to do this earlier but I'll start it now, the new GYC thread(leave the other one for dead) with the reason for the GYC in the first couple of posts. To celebrate one of the best comebacks in the history of sports, I'll post the boxscore and play-by play of each game as the day occurs. Any links to the videos/photos of the 2004 ALCS will be appreciated. 1 news article will be posted for games 1+2 but the others will have multiple articles. Photos for games 1+2 will be added later. http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ps/y2004/home.jsp?view=bos_nyy October 12th, 2004 - Game 1 of the ALCS the beginning of the GYC Code: New York Yankees 10, Boston Red Sox 7 League Championship Series Game 1 Played on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 (N) at Yankee Stadium BOS A 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 2 0 - 7 10 0 NY A 2 0 4 0 0 2 0 2 x - 10 14 0 BATTING Boston Red Sox AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Damon cf 4 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 Bellhorn 2b 4 1 1 0 0 1 1 6 Ramirez lf 4 1 1 0 0 1 5 0 Ortiz dh 4 1 2 2 0 1 0 0 Millar 1b 4 1 1 2 0 1 8 0 Nixon rf 4 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 Varitek c 4 1 2 2 0 1 3 0 Cabrera ss 4 0 1 0 0 1 2 2 Mueller 3b 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 Schilling p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Leskanic p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mendoza p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Wakefield p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Embree p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Timlin p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Foulke p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 36 7 10 7 0 10 24 9 FIELDING - DP: 1. Cabrera-Bellhorn-Millar. BATTING - 2B: Bellhorn (1,off Mussina); Millar (1,off Mussina). 3B: Ortiz (1,off Gordon). HR: Varitek (1,7th inning off Sturtze 1 on 2 out). Team LOB: 2. New York Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO PO A Jeter ss 4 1 1 0 1 0 5 3 Rodriguez 3b 5 2 2 0 0 1 0 0 Sheffield rf 4 4 3 0 1 1 1 0 Matsui lf 5 2 3 5 0 0 3 0 Williams cf 5 0 2 3 0 0 1 0 Posada c 3 0 0 1 0 0 10 1 Olerud 1b 3 0 1 0 1 0 6 2 Cairo 2b 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 Lofton dh 3 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 Mussina p 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 Sturtze p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Gordon p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rivera p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Totals 36 10 14 10 4 3 27 8 FIELDING - DP: 1. Rivera-Jeter-Olerud. PB: Posada (1). BATTING - 2B: Sheffield 2 (2,off Schilling,off Wakefield); Matsui 2 (2,off Schilling 2); Williams (1,off Timlin). HR: Lofton (1,6th inning off Wakefield 0 on 0 out). SF: Posada (1,off Schilling). HBP: Posada (1,by Mendoza). Team LOB: 8. PITCHING Boston Red Sox IP H R ER BB SO HR Schilling L(0-1) 3 6 6 6 2 1 0 Leskanic 1 0 0 0 2 1 0 Mendoza 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 Wakefield 1 3 2 2 0 1 1 Embree 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 Timlin 0.2 3 2 2 0 0 0 Foulke 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 8 14 10 10 4 3 1 New York Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR Mussina W(1-0) 6.2 4 4 4 0 8 0 Sturtze 0.1 1 1 1 0 1 1 Gordon 0.2 3 2 2 0 1 0 Rivera SV(1) 1.1 2 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 9 10 7 7 0 10 1 HBP: Mendoza (1,Posada). Umpires: Randy Marsh, Jeff Nelson, John Hirschbeck, Jim Joyce, Jeff Kellogg, Joe West Time of Game: 3:20 Attendance: 56135 Starting Lineups: Boston Red Sox New York Yankees 1. Damon cf Jeter ss 2. Bellhorn 2b Rodriguez 3b 3. Ramirez lf Sheffield rf 4. Ortiz dh Matsui lf 5. Millar 1b Williams cf 6. Nixon rf Posada c 7. Varitek c Olerud 1b 8. Cabrera ss Cairo 2b 9. Mueller 3b Lofton dh Schilling p Mussina p RED SOX 1ST: Damon struck out; Bellhorn flied to center; Ramirez grounded out (first to pitcher); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 0. YANKEES 1ST: Jeter flied to right; Rodriguez flied to right; Sheffield doubled to left; Matsui doubled to center [Sheffield scored]; the ball got by Ramirez and rolled to the wall; Williams singled to center [Matsui scored]; Posada grounded out (second to first); 2 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 2. RED SOX 2ND: Ortiz grounded out (first to pitcher); Millar grounded out (shortstop to first); Nixon popped to shortstop; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 2. YANKEES 2ND: Olerud grounded out (second to first); Cairo flied to left; Lofton struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 2. RED SOX 3RD: Varitek flied to left; Cabrera popped to first; Mueller popped to shortstop; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 2. YANKEES 3RD: Jeter singled to center; Rodriguez singled to shortstop [Jeter to second]; Sheffield walked [Jeter to third, Rodriguez to second]; Matsui doubled to right [Jeter scored, Rodriguez scored, Sheffield scored]; Williams grounded out (second to first) [Matsui to third]; Posada hit a sacrifice fly to center [Matsui scored]; Olerud walked; Cairo flied to center; 4 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 6. RED SOX 4TH: Damon was called out on strikes; Bellhorn was called out on strikes; Ramirez was called out on strikes; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 6. YANKEES 4TH: LESKANIC REPLACED SCHILLING (PITCHING); Lofton walked; Jeter walked [Lofton to second]; Rodriguez grounded into a double play (shortstop to second to first) [Lofton to third, Jeter out at second]; Sheffield struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 6. RED SOX 5TH: Ortiz struck out; Millar struck out (catcher to first); Nixon grounded out (pitcher to first); 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 6. YANKEES 5TH: MENDOZA REPLACED LESKANIC (PITCHING); Matsui flied to left; Williams grounded out (second to first); Posada was hit by a pitch; Olerud singled to left [Posada to third]; Cairo lined to shortstop; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 2 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 6. RED SOX 6TH: Varitek struck out; Cabrera flied to right; Mueller flied to left; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 6. YANKEES 6TH: WAKEFIELD REPLACED MENDOZA (PITCHING); Lofton homered; Jeter grounded out (third to first); Rodriguez struck out; Sheffield doubled to left; Matsui singled to right [Sheffield scored]; Williams flied to left; 2 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 0, Yankees 8. RED SOX 7TH: Damon struck out; Bellhorn doubled to left; the first Red Sox baserunner after 19 straight outs; Ramirez grounded out (shortstop to first); Ortiz singled to right [Bellhorn to third]; Millar doubled to left [Bellhorn scored, Ortiz scored]; Posada allowed a passed ball [Millar to third]; Nixon singled to center [Millar scored]; STURTZE REPLACED MUSSINA (PITCHING); Varitek homered [Nixon scored]; Cabrera struck out; 5 R, 5 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Red Sox 5, Yankees 8. YANKEES 7TH: EMBREE REPLACED WAKEFIELD (PITCHING); Posada grounded out (second to first); Olerud flied to left; Cairo singled to right; Lofton flied to left; 0 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 5, Yankees 8. RED SOX 8TH: GORDON REPLACED STURTZE (PITCHING); Mueller singled to second; Damon struck out; Bellhorn flied to left; Ramirez singled to left [Mueller to third]; Ortiz tripled to left [Mueller scored, Ramirez scored]; off Matsui's glove at the wall; RIVERA REPLACED GORDON (PITCHING); Millar popped to shortstop; 2 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 7, Yankees 8. YANKEES 8TH: TIMLIN REPLACED EMBREE (PITCHING); Jeter grounded out (shortstop to first); Rodriguez singled to left; Sheffield singled to left [Rodriguez to second]; Matsui popped to shortstop; Williams doubled to left [Rodriguez scored, Sheffield scored, Williams to third (on throw)]; Ramirez allowed the ball to get over his head; FOULKE REPLACED TIMLIN (PITCHING); Posada lined to third; 2 R, 3 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 7, Yankees 10. RED SOX 9TH: Nixon popped to shortstop; Varitek singled to right; Cabrera singled to left [Varitek to second]; Mueller grounded into a double play (pitcher to shortstop to first) [Cabrera out at second]; 0 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Red Sox 7, Yankees 10. Final Totals R H E LOB Red Sox 7 10 0 2 Yankees 10 14 0 8 Early Yankee asskicking puts the Red Sox in a 0-1 hole to start the 2004 ALCS. Red Sox fans think they'll be able to come back and win game 2. Schilling is injured with a ruptured tendon and might not pitch again.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/n...012&content_id=892361&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp NEW YORK - Curt Schilling's goal was to silence 55,000 fans at Yankee Stadium. Instead, they were roaring. Schilling lasted only three innings Tuesday night as the Yankees peppered him for six runs in the opening game of the American League Championship Series. Although Schilling had declared his aching right ankle would not be a factor, he certainly didn't look like the pitcher who was such a dominating presence in previous postseason appearances. And after the 10-7 loss, Schilling admitted he had trouble driving off the rubber. His pregame session in the bullpen was a warning. "I warmed up horribly for whatever that's worth," he said. A power push-off just wasn't there. "I tried to adjust and I couldn't," Schilling said. "I'd been looking forward to this for a year and it's incredibly disappointing." The Yankees clipped him for two runs in the first inning after two outs. From their dugout, manager Joe Torre noted that Schilling fell behind the first hitter, Derek Jeter, and then gave up a pretty good drive to him that was caught in right-center field. "I just thought we were prepared to go up against him," Torre said. "You can't think in huge terms against him because you're not going to hit home runs and stuff. You're going to have to take what he gives you and I thought we had some really good at-bats. We made him work hard, I guess." Gary Sheffield and Hideki Matsui delivered back-to-back doubles for the first run and Bernie Williams lined an RBI single for a 2-0 lead. "He just didn't look right," Red Sox manager Terry Francona said. "We were trying to give him every opportunity because his heart's so big and he has the ability to reach back." Schilling got through the second inning in apple-pie order but got burned in the third. Jeter and Alex Rodriguez each singled and Sheffield walked, loading the bases. They were promptly unloaded as Matsui sent a line drive rocketing into the wall while right fielder Trot Nixon slipped during his pursuit. The three-run double was followed by Williams' groundout, which moved Matsui to third. He scored on Jorge Posada's sacrifice fly for a 6-0 lead. Schilling walked John Olerud before getting Miguel Cairo to fly out on his 58th and final pitch of the night. "We talked when he came out," Francona said. "I don't think he was hurting, he just wasn't right, wasn't driving." Schilling was so downhearted, he cast doubt on his ability to pitch again in this series. "If I can't give them better than I did today, I won't go out there," he said. The ankle wraps and the injection of medicine didn't work for Schilling. "I was bad in the bullpen but stuff-wise I thought I had enough to go out and win," he said. "I just couldn't get the ball to come out of my hand like I wanted to." This became the shortest postseason outing of Schilling's career. Never before, as he compiled a 6-1 playoff record with a 1.74 ERA, had he failed to get into the seventh inning. But this time Curtis Leskanic emerged from the bullpen to pitch the fourth. By the sixth inning, the Yankees had an 8-0 lead, nicking knuckleballer Tim Wakefield for two runs in the sixth. That, of course, didn't last when right-hander Mike Mussina's perfect game dissolved during a five-run Red Sox seventh. Schilling, though, was far from perfect. "They beat me," he said. "I thought Moose was freaking phenomenal." And, in the end, those 55,000 folks -- well, 56,135 to be exact -- were still screaming. "I knew going in that I was going to get the juice and the adrenaline," Schilling said. "It was electric, it was everything I thought it would be. I just couldn't make it work."
