Sorry Sanchize fans but the truth hurts. You will never give it up for Mark. I got my wish when they got rid of him. But I still have the shudders thinking he might some day come back. He's had a good camp with the Eagles and made the team as no. 2 Qb. And some misguided Eagles fans (you know the Boo crew) want him over Foles. When Nick had a bad opening game. If they get their wish Citizens Bank will be violent.
1. I call Sanchez "El Nacho" rather affectionately. Does not mean I hate El Nacho. Quite to the contrary, if I have to tell you. I do have a soft spot for the kid. He was a good soldier for this team - only this FRANCHISE fucked him over, with piss-poor OC, and systematic stripping of the vital resources that he needed to thrive. 2. That said, maybe he can develop into decent starter in this league. I doubt the chance, but then he is always welcome to prove me wrong. I just hope Geno develops into something more useful than Sanchez ever was for us. [And I am not expecting that to happen, to be frank.]
IDC if you have a soft spot for him, you dont call him Nacho. If I started calling Geno Smith or Mike Vick: "chicken wing", it wouldnt be cool. I am not pointing the finger at you either Zach, at least you admit it unlike the rest who hid when their beloved Freeman fell apart.
since Chip Kelly clearly doesn't run an offensive system that creates significant offensive opportunities regardless of personnel, the only other options are that Chip Kelly is either the greatest talent evaluator in the history of sports to be able to continuously replace players with players who consistently perform equally to the former personnel, or is simply the luckiest coach in history who simply lucks into the best talent in the world every year regardless of whether he is in college or the pros.
Ok then why didnt Vick put up Foles like numbers? Do you think its possible that Foles might actually be good?
Shame you believe that you didn't just make a specious argument. One, the system doesn't mean EVERY player will perform equally, just that overall when you look at all personnel you will see comparable success. Of course there will be players who perform better than the others. Secondly, Foles didn't just put up good numbers last year, he put up statistically the greatest TD to turnover season in NFL history and stats significantly better than he has in his entire life. By your own argument you shouldn't be reducing Foles as just a good QB, you should be discussing him as potentially one of the most talented QBs in history if his season last year was simply an indicator of his own ability.
At the end of the day though you cant discredit the player for a system he plays in, you just cant. Should we start discrediting Tom Brady's 50 TD season because of the receiver(s) he was throwing to? Or how about the two tight end offense that Bill O Brien created for Tom Brady?
I haven't discredited anyone. And Brady I previously addressed. The guy won 3 Super Bowls before he saw his huge leap in statistical success; clearly a specific offensive system did not dictate his on field ability. But you can't deny that there are offensive systems that seem to lead to big offensive numbers regardless of what QB is leading it. Of course that doesn't equate to the concept that all QB's that play in it are only the product of the system. It simply becomes the apparent major contributing factor if a player who has previously struggled suddenly starts playing at an elite level in a system that tends to create QB statistics that are elite.
What's even funnier is that many of us who were for keeping Sanchez argued this exact possibility. Even if he did not win the job, we could possibly be able to get something for him in a trade a la Alex Smith provided he played well. Come to think of it, it's not funny at all; it's somewhat infuriating that this fan base and organization is so short sided.
Of course you conveniently forgetting that if Sanchez was with the Jets, the trade would involve asking some other team for 8M for a backup QB, plus draft picks. But don't let it cloud your fantasyland.
Logic fails you again. Considering a player's contract significantly affects his tradeability, Sanchez's current desirability as a trade option doesn't compare to what it would have been if he were still on the Jets and any team trading for him would be on the hook for almost $10 mil this season. But please keep trying to discuss the two as if they are identical. I have to hand it to Sanchez, though. Brilliant move to go to a team that could make him look great and re-ignite interest in him. And I mean that seriously, it was genius. There is no doubt another team will give him a shot to start again, something that would have been laughable to say the way his Jets tenure ended.
I and many who wanted to keep Sanchez was at a reduce rate comparable to what the 49ers did with Alex Smith so nothing was conveniently left out.
Because Sanchez wanted to resign with the Jets after getting cut. That's what you have to assume for your argument to have merit.
There's merit w/o such assumption because the original argument was for us bring him back vs those that just wanted him abolished from the franchise and move on. You can go back and re-read all of those Sanchez threads but I don't think there were many other than maybe a couple posters that wanted Sanchez back at his prior salary. The majority of posters who wanted to bring Sanchez was with the caveat that he would take less and have to compete for the job with no guarantees. According to reports the Jets never approached him about taking a pay cut after dragging out the process but no one knows what Sanchez was willing or not willing to do.
