I think it can happen in many countries. And far worse in many. I've made my concerns noted about our system of government. But too many people of other nations throw that term around when the evidence says otherwise.
Interesting. So nobody was in the wrong if it's true Martin was reaching for the gun? That means both guys knew about the gun and wanted to keep it from the other one? Weird way, legally both would have been within their right to shoot the other one? That goes against my common sense which told me if you initiated a physical altercation self defense can't be claimed at that point. Weird laws
The unarmed 17 year old, chose to go back and initiate a confrontation. Again. "these assholes always get away". Martin had a clear path to home down the courtyard. Thats not to say, he deserves to be dead, he doesnt. But he put himself in that position.Zimmerman didnt.
You mean Zimmerman. And, Martin, while deceased should have been charged with battery, because the predicatable race baiters and grievance mongerers are now usning the phrase "comitted no crime" as if Zimmerman beat himself up.
This incident is a screw up, but by the evidence provided, it is a screw up by the prosecution. If there could have been better evidence against the defendant, it was a screw up by the police, which you cannot conclude. Maybe things would have played out differently in another state. Depending on prosecutors, defense, and police. We will never know. But you can go ahead and stuff that "only in America" dogshit, because we both know that you are deliberately being an asshole by saying it. I'm not someone that says "go home" to people from other countries being bothered about the way things are run here, but since you seem like someone with an agenda against this country... Why don't you get the fuck out?
Oh boy. I definitely don't have an agenda against this country and I love this country. I have seen great hospitality from my friends at work and my neighbors and the people I met. One day, my company will move me to another place and I will be gone like every other expat. This is interesting really. I am being asked to go back just because I said "only in America?" and criticized the decision? Please be open to criticism. Not everything is black and white. There is also gray in this life.
Well no, if Martin did reach for the gun, he would be in the wrong. Let's say Martin reached for the gun and shot Zimmerman. At that point, because Trayvon was on top winning the fight, and would not have reasonably feared imminent death or great bodily harm, Martin would have been charged and convicted even if George started it. Think of it this way, its all about proportional force. Whatever force you use has to be proportional to what the other party is using. If George starts the fight by pushing or punching Martin, then that is what Trayvon can do back. If George escalates the fight by either pulling a weapon or beating Martin so bad that fearing death or great bodily harm is reasonable, then Martin would be able to use deadly force back. That is what happened in this case, just in the reverse. Martin and George were in some kind of scuffle, wrestling, punching, whatever. But once Trayvon started slamming George's head into the concrete over and over (or reaching for the gun) that is escalating the fight to a deadly or great bodily harm level, and George can then use proportional force to defend himself, because he reasonably fears imminent death or serious bodily injury. It is the head into the concrete that changes the whole case. If that never happened, say George was on top or even was just getting his ass kicked on the grass, he would not be entitled to pull his gun and shoot and would be convicted easily. Its all about proportional force.
You are saying "only in America" as an expat that seemingly has no ties to this country other than the company that is seemingly forcing you to live here, judging by your words. Apparently, you have lived in few countries aside from Turkey and the US. No, not everything is black and white. Maybe you should experience them, because if you think that only in America a trial can be orchestrated badly, you are ignorant and inexperienced in the way many, many countries provide judicial law. You should just stop. You look very stupid right now.
Trial lasted very short for a trial like so much infamous like this. Unlike the OJ one that lasted for a year. As the judge moved it along pretty fairly fast. Despite the outcome if you look at it like that.
Somewhat misleading, there is no hard evidence either way, which of course should lead to a not guilty judgement as it did. You and a few others in this thread are stating the claims of the defense as facts, which is inaccurate.
Thats not a claim,Thats a taped phone call. And, it was reported early on, with a map of the complex. When he said that, he was at the street beyond the courtyard. Trayvons girlfriend, reported that he said, he was running. Even assuming, that Zimmerman didnt lose Martin, for your point...with a head start on that path, theres no way the incident happens where it did, and its about a 100 to 1 shot that Zimmerman catches a 17 year old on that path to his house before he gets there... If thats where he wanted to go.
Victor Cruz, weighs in. Waitasekkant, waitasekkant..he's a membah of dah classiest ohganazation in sports. No way hes advocating vigilante justoce.
so,the classy citizens of Oakland are responding. How shocking. Going out on the freeways stopping traffic,hurling rocks at cops,smashing store windows.
nobody is stating it as such; you just seem to have a problem with taking the evidence that exists and making a determination of whether it supports one side's version of the story or the others. that is what evidence is supposed to do. the evidence in this case supports Zimmerman's side of the story.
Dude. You look like a knowledgeable guy. I would love to continue discussing more with you about this and more stuff. But you should stop calling names, making judgments. Also please stop using "only in America" word as I already admitted that was a mistake on my part. Yes I lived in USA mostly but also lived in England, Iran and Bulgaria. My longest tenure is here in USA because my European company wants to keep some Europeans in the USA office as long as they can. Okay enough about me. Now. Do you have children? If yes, you would understand me when I say this. A 17 year old is a kid. And if he is killed and if the killer walks free this will disturb me as a parent. I definitely don't want this to happen to my kids. I don't care about the racial discussions. Black or white doesn't matter. Whoever kills a 17 year old shouldn't walk free. A justice system that allows it is wrong. And it should be fixed. Please tell me what you think about the verdict. I tried to read a few pages back but couldn't find your full analysis. Let me know what you think.
Being 17 does not automatically excuse you from wrong doing. That is probably the typically age for a gang member in this country. What the verdict found is that martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself. Maybe had they tried him for a different offense he would have been found guilty. They aimed too high,and the jury just didn't see it. Regardless,you are trying to say that being 17 automatically makes you innocent? You might want to take a look around you,watch the news,drive around Brooklyn and see what 17 year olds are up to. This is where you the parent steps in and makes sure this doesn't happen to your kid. Maybe Martin WAS innocent,i don't know. But don't have your kid walking down dark streets in a hoodie resembling someone up to no good. Right or wrong,with most eople it will have already have set the stage
Walking in a hoodie in the rain while black is not a crime punishable by death. Teaching your 17 year olds not to be outside after dark because they are black would be bowing to the "don't let the sun go down on you in this town" mentality that ruled much of the South for a century after the Civil War.
Who's saying that it is? The evidence pointed to Trayvon starting an altercation, and then breaking the guy's nose and slamming someone's head into concrete over and over again to the point where he feared serious bodily injury or death. You do that, you risk deadly force back. It wasn't "walking in a hoodie in the rain" that justified Trayvon's death, it was his actions that put Zimmerman's life in danger.
