According to the analysis Ive heard this morning, theres no Federal case to be had. The Government needs one of two things, acting under color of law, (how they got the King cops), or racially motivated animus, and any cursory examination of Zimmermans life refutes that argument. Fucking Punk, and Asshole may be salty.....but there is no racial animus there. The race baiting has to end.
We failed here. Zimmerman is no "innocent" man. Not guilty of intent or second degree murder, okay, but "not guilty" of profiling and "over standing your ground" no. He should have gotten the manslaughter. Martin wasn't a bright or apologetic kid, but he was a kid carrying skittles and a soda not a handgun. Zimmerman, profiled this kid, he was told by 911 dispatcher to leave it alone let professional police officers handle the situation, Zimmerman didn't. There was a scuffle, Zimmerman didn't intend to kill anyone on this night, but in the end he did. No bullshit stand your ground rule should save a man from failing to make the right decision. This guy should serve time in jail. We failed here.
He is the son of a Peruvian mother and a half Peruvian father. His last name is the whitest thing about him.
I can agree with all of that. If the cops told him to leave it alone,he should have. BUT,it never is but must be addressed. Society will judge people by apperarance. There is popular culture that purposely tries to wear the apparel of inmates,thieves and gang members. Wearing a hoodie in the same manor as some of these is going to raise the brow of grandma driving by or anyone else,because it resembles the attire of a threat.
Then its the prosecution and our justice system that is at fault...They aimed like for second degree and fell on their faces
Local investigators say Manslaughter. Local police chief loses his job due to the slow pace of the investigation. The slow pace was because people higher up wanted Murder and the facts just didn't fit. Zimmerman is eventually arrested and charged with Murder. Prosecution falls flat on it's face because the facts just didn't fit for Murder. Judge agrees to let the prosecutors have a second bite at the apple by belatedly adding the count that the police investigators wanted to go with in the first place. What exactly happened here?
While I don't feel Zimmerman should have been convicted as the law is written but what it really boils down to is whether you feel Zimmerman put his own life in danger by A)ignoring the dispatcher and B) getting out of his car to continue his hunt for Martin or was it the moment Martin attacked him? My opinion on it is you see a sign on the lake that says thn ice, do not skate but skate anyway and when you fall through you turn around and sue the town because they shoudl have put a fence around the lake so you don't tempt yourself into skating on it. Zimmerman ignored the do not skate sign and fell through the ice when Martin attacked him, fortunately for Zimmerman he was able to grab a tree branch in this case his gun to escape the freezing water of the lake aka Martin laying a beatdown on him. I'll just say this because I know the typical right wing whackos will defend this scumbag until the day they die but when I was a teenager I worked in retail in the mall. One of the basic things they taught me was if you witness someone shoplift don't follow them because they might take out a gun and shoot you because they could be dangerous. So if I witness someone committ a crime it isn't my job to follow them and confront them just like it isn't Zimmerman's job to follow and potentially confront soneone whom he had not witnessed committ any crime. What was Zimmerman planning to do when he found Martin? Sit with him and read him bed time stories until the cops showed up? None of this absolves Martin from attacking Zimmerman either which according to the law was the only crime committed that night. I'm sickened by the Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharpton's forgetting that Martin was the one who confronted Zimmerman first. They say he committed no crimes but by attacking Zimmerman he did commit a crime. Did he deserve to lose his life because Zimmerman was an overzealous loser? No but he also made a decision to fight Zimmerman instead of go home. The real tragedy in this case is that a 17 year old kid lost his life which really seems to be forgotten by both sides.
If those are what you think the facts are, it is quite evident you did not watch the trial. What actually came out at trial was, there were multiple break ins and burglaries committed in the neighborhood by young black teens. No one had caught the black teens yet. Zimmerman sees a young black teen walking around late at night. He calls 911 to report it, which is exactly what you are supposed to do if you are in charge of the neighborhood watch. He did not follow, he did not stalk, he simply called. While talking to 911 in his truck, they asked for his specific location. He could not name the street. So while talking to them, he got out of his truck because he saw a street sign about 100 yards away. At this time, the 911 operator did not know he got out of his truck. As Zimmerman is walking, 911 realizes he has gotten out, and said "we dont need you to do that." Zimmerman is now walking back to his truck. He did not disobey 911, he did not get out to follow Trayvon, none of that. While he is walking back to his truck Trayvon confronts HIM. Trayvon could have continued walking home, but chose not to. We all know what happened from there. There is nothing wrong with seeing the profile of what fits a description of someone terrorizing your neighborhood, and then calling the police so they can come investigate. In fact, if you didnt call the police at that moment, you'd probably be the worst neighborhood watch person in the world. Too many people are making up their own facts because they didnt listen to the trial, watch the trial, take the time to know the real facts, or take the time to read the law. Dont perpetuate this. You said he committed manslaughter. Why dont you tell us what the elements of manslaughter are, tell us the facts the prove that this occurred, and then convince us all of that beyond a reasonable doubt. And when you get done with that, convince us all beyond a reasonable doubt that George did not act in self defense. I apologize in advance for taking this tone with you this way, but seeing all of these people just report incorrect versions of the trial and then cry "injustice" is really making me nuts. I'm taking this out on you and its not really you, so for that I'm sorry. Just very frustrating.
7pm is late at night? Are you 70 years old? If you're going to berate someone for not getting the facts straight, you should probably have your own facts straight, don't you think? Also, you are being misleading about how the "following" thing went down: The way it was reported: In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman responds with, "Yes." Dispatcher: "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman: "OK." Nah, the verdict was correct, based on the trial and what the prosecution was trying to prove. That said, Zimmerman might not be guilty of murder in the eyes of the law, but I think his actions were pretty stupid. He put himself in that situation through poor judgment and the law as it is currently written does not account for poor judgment. Stand your ground allows you to use lethal force against someone else if there is no other recourse and your life is in danger. It does not take into account whether or not the person could have taken reasonable measures to make sure that his life was not in danger in the first place. Zimmerman is guilty... of being an gung-ho wannabe-Rambo idiot. And I hope that he is haunted by this for the rest of his life. He's not some poor hero who was simply defending himself against some belligerent attacker. He created a situation that could have been avoided. Make your call and be done with it.
It was pitch black out, that is what I meant. Zimmerman had every right to make the phone call. Trayvon had every right to be there. But Trayvon did not have the right to hide and confront/punch Zimmerman for making the call if that's what you believe happened. I'm not sure if that's what happened, the prosecution certainly didnt convince me of anything otherwise, which is why I have reasonable doubt and agree with the verdict.
Sorry guys. This is coming from a Turkish guy and justice in my country is as bad as it can get. Our justice is corrupt and if you have money you can get away with a lot of stuff but not get away from murder. This Zimmerman thing made me think USA justice system is not that far ahead of Turkish justice after all. A fucking guy kills a 17 year old and walks freely. Only in America
that is because we don't blame the victim just because we disagree with their choices. or do you blame women who are raped for dressing too sexy and getting irresponsibly drunk just because they don't take reasonable precautions to avoid getting raped. if Zimmerman's account is true, and he was not committing a crime by following Trayvon, than he does not have to take any other care because he had a right to do what he was doing. it is as simple as that. Zimmerman had a right to be suspicious of Trayvon, and follow him to relay the information to the police. there is zero evidence that Zimmerman chased him down or pursued him, so he did nothing to instigate the confrontation and his actions were totally legal. your criteria is the same as blaming the woman for being raped because she didn't take greater precautions to prevent it. she doesn't have to, she can dress how she wants or go out and get as drunk as she wants (just as it is Zimmerman's right to be suspicious and follow Trayvon as long as his own actions are legal), and it is the assailants responsibility to not rape her (just as it is Trayvon's responsibility to control his emotions and not attack Zimmerman because he did not appreciate being followed by his creepy cracker ass). no additional laws need to exist; as long as the person standing their ground is behaving in a completely legal manner, if the second party responds to that legal behavior by illegal means (which is Zimmerman's account), than they have a right to defend themselves with force. the problem is nobody has any evidence Zimmerman behaved in an illegal manner that would negate his right to claim self defense as not the instigator of the confrontation. the prosecutions attempt to stretch the incident defies any sort of logic. their case was dependent on people buying into their ludicrous stretch of logic that because Trayvon was black and Zimmerman was not, that Zimmerman racially profiled him and was a racist, and because he was a racist that racism was a clear sign of his intent to murder him. that is a ludicrous argument. and if their argument that racism reveals intent, the only party involved that testimony indicated that they were racist was Trayvon's classification of Zimmerman as a cracker.
based on your extremely broad criteria, if a 17 year old breaks into my house and holds a knife to my daughter and I kill him, I should go to jail. that is what you said if the all killings of 17 year old's means the killer deserves the punishment. or would you like to rethink your declaration?
That is a cop out. You mentioned earlier in this thread that you are an attorney, and later you harped on what the facts were, and in that same post got facts entirely wrong. Don't bust people on facts unless you know the ones you state are correct, counselor.
Stop playing word games with me. I am not an American and my English is not like yours to extend an argument although I live in USA. You know what I meant. I know the conditions how Martin was killed. I thought everyone knew that and that's why I didn't elaborate. If same incident happened in Turkey Zimmerman would be behind bars. And Turkey is as corrupt as it can get.
That's odd, because I think the races of the two individuals involved would have controlled the situation in your country far more than they did in this case. I lived in Turkey for three years and while I don't have a lot of faith in American justice, there is no way that I would ever compare it to the justice system in Turkey. Only in America, my ass.
I am not going to defend. Turkey as I am we'll aware of the injustice towards Kurdish. But again if this happened in Turkey , Zimmerman would be in jail. Yes I made mistake by saying US justice system isn't far ahead. This incident is a screw up and shouldn't be used to judge a whole system but again this is a terrible terrible decision and a justice system that allows that is in great fault. This should be fixed.
What happened? Why are you so defensive against "only in America" concept? You think American system is without fault?
