Geno's accuracy is his one element that may already be elite.

It's amazing to me that two people can watch the same QB and one see elite and one not even see a backup. I tend to think that Geno can become an elite franchise QB. On the other hand, a lot of people seemingly already have Luck in the HOF and an elite QB already and just don't see it. I see a QB that just throws a lot and is above average. But more of a midrange guy than an elite QB. I also think he cannot even sniff Wilson's jock, Wilson in my view is SO much better

 

I never said Nassib would be better than Geno--I loved what Nassib did for my alma mater but I didn't think he'd be a good pro. He actually looks pretty good right now so who knows.

I may be wrong on Boyd, but it's still early.

Having opinions about players is just guesses on our part.

But bringing up what they did in college and somehow equating that to the pros is really dumb.

Tim Tebow had a higher completion percentage than Brees and Wilson and Foles and Rivers.

Seems dumb when you see it in writing, no?

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One note Johnny, I'm not surprised.

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You didn't click on them because you knew they would prove you wrong. If he does it this year, then you'll agree, but when he did it last year with less weapons at his disposal you're going to dismiss it?

I agree, he is not yet elite with his accuracy and I've said this the entire time, but your reading comprehension skills blind you from what was actually typed. But he was still top 4 in the league last year (and actually from '08-'13) for passes thrown 20+ yards.

And this isn't directed at just you, but quite a few others in this thread who are looking only at completion % to gauge accuracy, but you can't look at just completion %. You can have a good completion % without being that accurate (good WRs) and you can be accurate with a not so good completion % (bad WRs).

 

Lol

 

Any debate about Geno being elite in any sense is utterly laughable at this point. It's an exercise in desperation by fans who want a franchise QB so badly they can trick themselves into thinking it's true.

I'm a Geno supporter, I liked what I saw last year at the end, and improvement in any way is a good sign. I'm very aware he had too little help in the passing game, and despite the numerous head slapping plays he made I was not ready to write him off .

This preseason he has shown improvements in every category. Playbook mastery, pocket presence, decision making, accuracy, poise, on field leadership, and improvisation. I like everything I've seen from Geno this preseason.

That being said, let's understand how simple everything was that was asked off him in the preseason. Simple routes, simple reads, and minimum playing time vs preseason defenses. I believe that we can have a good team based on a dominant defense, versatile running attack, and good decision making from Geno. Perhaps in another year that improvement will make me believe Geno is on a path toward excellency, but let's just be great full that Geno has shown the improvement he has instead of ramping up expectations by throwing around words like elite.

 

It doesn't prove anything about the issue I was discussing and certainly not that I was wrong.

Being accurate in pee wees, HS and college has NOTHING to do with the pros.

You can continue to mix up the narrative to suit your Genofandom but it doesn't change the true narrative.

And I read goodly, you just don't understand too goodly.

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Seriously, the worst word in sports is "elite." Nobody even has a static definition for it with regards to sports rankings.

For some reason hearing a player utter those words brings out the worst in everyone (supporters and detractors).

I think Geno's accuracy will be a ton better than what it was last year. A 60% completion rate wouldnt shock me at all, and I expect his TO Ratio to improve greatly as well. Geno doesnt get a pass last year, because his play was poor. But he wasnt put in a great situation to succeed. At all.

This year is completely different. No more excuses, we need to see great improvement. Supporting cast is really improved this year. If the OLine can hold up, there is no reason that Geno cant jump into the middle of the pack of starting QB's.

However, his accuracy is in no way on the level of Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers (whom I consider to be the elite QB's).

 

lol...you really have some issues man. The data in the link I provided came from last year, you know, when Geno was in the "pros". That data showed that he was the 4th most accurate QB with passes of 20+ yards. I'd say that makes him pretty good with deep ball accuracy. Elite? Not yet, but he's on his way.

So, you're saying that if a QB wasn't accurate in pop warner, HS, or college, they can suddenly become accurate in the pros? Being accurate in the lower levels of football absolutely has something to do with the pros. You are just confusing accuracy with completion %. While the two are similar and somewhat tied together, they are not the same thing.

I'm not mixing up anything...that would be you. I've said one thing this entire thread. What I understand is that you will argue with anything that I say (even when correct) just because I'm a fan of Geno first and the Jets only by association.

 

Thank you for being sensible

 

This is the ultimate homer thread.

 

Since you brought Carmelo into this, I HAVE to respond. First off Luck is a LONG ways off from being where Carmelo is in the NBA if we want to try to make that equivalency. The only thing that they had in common this year was that they both had bad teams around them. Luck is one of the brighter young QBs though, and in my opinion of the better young QBs.

I don't get why you are looking away from a really important stat called touchdowns and interceptions. If Geno threw it 37 times for 16 games, that's 592 throws. If you then use his INT % (numbers of INTs divded by number of pass attempts) Geno would have had 27 INTs. If you take his TD % of 2.7, that gives him 16 TDs off of 592 throws.. This is napkin math, like you used though, and it would mean yes

Geno would have 4000+ yards, 16 TDs and 27 INTs if he threw the ball 592 times.
Luck had 3822 yards, 23 TDs and 9 INTS throwing the ball 590 times. Luck also had a passer rating of 87.0.
Geno's passer rating with his new stats, would be 67.2

So yeah if YPA was the ONLY stat we looked at Geno was better than Luck last year. Once we start looking at other things and start adding in the eye test, it's clear to see Luck was much better than Geno last year.

If we also throw in football outsiders DVOA, Luck was clearly better passer than Geno.

Oh and Luck is a volume passer which is not necessarily a good thing which you state to lead off your point.

Either way, overall my comment is:

Melo is a superstar (vague term but he clearly qualifies in most definitions of a NBA superstar), but has never been the best player in the NBA in any season.
Andrew Luck is a great young QB. He's got a ways to go before we can even begin the elite (ugh) discussion. But starting a franchise today, I take Aaron Rodgers followed by Andrew Luck as my QBs. Granted, that heavily favors the young QBs, but that's where I have Andrew Luck.

 

We are Jets fans and that would still be 11 more INTs than TDs, people would be complaining. If Geno put up an Andrew Luck rookie line completely, then you would hear a lot less complaints.

Oh if everyone was young it's a game changer, but I did the starting a franchise because it's basically discussing best "young QBs" and I would easily take Luck over Wilson right now.

You are also using volume passer as if it's a bad thing. If there is no rush offense, the QB has to be a volume passer. They have to be to one to get the big plays and the small plays. It's not necessarily a benefit to be a volume passer and stats like TD %, INT %, and so on help take out the high differences in pass attempts we can see between two QBs in a season.

I think Geno has potential to be a great QB this year. I just haven't seen him put it together in a game that counts yet so I am very cautiously optimistic

 

Oooooohhhh so now you're qualifying your none sense stats that Tebow had blahblahblah. Every single one of those guys had something that made their completion % what they were. Do you know how many shovel passes Geno handed off to Austin?

Dude, college stats mean NOTHING in the pros, the level of competition, the schemes, the style of offense, all factor into completion percentage in college that means jack shit in the pros.

Nice try though.

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I'm not sure why you are brining up Peyton Manning's stats. It's really easy to say if a QB keeps their turnover numbers down they will be better. The hard part for those turnover prone QBs is to keep their turnover numbers down and to consistently play a high level.

 

Now I get it, you're actually just a Geno homer.

You love Geno but you don't "get" Luck.

Too funny.

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