I don't think the impatience is a bad thing. You can tell pretty early if the guy is going to be special or not. Wilson won the job in TC as a rookie and started a little rough but was rolling by his 4th or 5th game. Foles pretty much lit it up as soon as he got a chance to play. These are the new breed of franchise QB's. Even Glennon was pretty decent as a rookie. These are 3rd rounders were talking about. Based on the preseason I'm pretty sure Jimmy G would play well if he had to start this year. I think Bridgewater will perform well. Football is different now. If you draft the right guy, he should be pretty much ready to go from day one. If he's not, you probably drafted the wrong guy.
That's why I believe the Jets should stick with Geno and if they burn to the ground so be it. We will be in the running for a top pick at this pace with our TO differential.
Do you not agree with the practice of shortening the leash the later you go in the rounds? You think a 2nd round QB should be granted the same amount of leeway as a top 5 pick?
How about not consigning yourself to one quite possibly mediocre out worse option that has no real competition at the position? Because that is basically what's been happening since 2009.
I agree with patience with a QB drafted in the [top of the]* 1st round but bottom of the 1st or later you better come in guns a blazing. With the way rookie contracts are structured now, you have to keep it moving. *Edit
Actually it is. If I was GM of a team that was without a franchise QB, I would draft a QB every year or every other year within the first 3 or 4 rounds until I hit jackpot. I bet I'd hit on one within 3 years. Keep the best two guys each year, trade or cut the other. A franchise caliber QB is going to win the job as a rookie or as a sophomore. The Jets should have done this. Drafting Tom Savage with the 3rd round pick would have been a great move. QB is the most important position in sports. Without a good one you are fucked. Just look at us. Positional depth doesn't really mean shit when the boat ain't got a captain.
if we don't deal with it we just have to go through the same cycle every few years, maybe we can be patient for once and allow a young QB to develop? we have an awful fanbase that jumps ship at the first sign of water. we will not have a top 10 pick. we will be in the playoff hunt. we easily could be 3-0 even w/ the bad calls against us and bad TOs. we are not in that bad of shape. Sunday is big, can't fall to 1-3 but as long as we win Sunday I think we are in great shape and the 2nd half of the season the sched looks very favorable. if we are 3-5/4-4 by the midway point we will be in great shape for a WC run. it depends, Clemens showed us very little in his extended action. geno has showed us he can play. How good will he be? I don't know but he has shown ability so I give him a longer leash tan Clemens. we had a good QB, the problem was the talent eroded around him. we will see mark thrive w/ his next team and the fans will whine. You don't win 4 road playoff games by accident. bottom of the 1st rd is ok but top of 2nd isn't? for me it's all about what they have shown. If Geno didn't show any improvement from his play the first 3/4 of last year I'd be ready to start thinking about moving on.
If we don't fix the turnover differential which has us ranked at 29 (Negative 4 currently), we will not be in great shape for a WC spot. We will be out of contention by week 12. Coming into the season, I believed the Jets needed to be in the green to even stand a chance to make the playoffs.
Geno has shown me that he will likely be a perennial back-up. Clemens had 8 starts his first 2 years; Geno has already doubled and will soon triple it. Is Geno 3 times better than Clemens? You being such a big Sanchez fan, I'd be curious to know what Geno has shown you in comparison to your boy. I said bottom of the 1st or later, you can start shortening that leash. I'm not advocating moving on but he needs competition. Should of had comp this offseason and certainly has to have it going forward. Still don't know what makes him worthy of a guaranteed starting job other than having been drafted by Idzik.
There is a long way to go, we aren't even at the qtr mark yet. Geno is light years ahead of Clemens. Geno looks like he can start in this league, Clemens did not. Indy pre Peyton: drafted 1 QB 1993-1997 and that QB was chosen in 6th round. NO pre Brees: drafted 1 QB 2001-2005 and it was in 5th rd before they signed Brees in 2006 I can go on. Geno is not as good as Mark so far but he has shown me enough where I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
He doesn't have to be "perfect." All he has to do is hand the ball to Chris Ivory without tripping over himself, throw 20-25 passes a game, make 1 or 2 plays maybe during the course of the game, and most importantly: stop fumbling, backpedaling under pressure before going down for sacks, and throwing into double and triple coverage or directly to the other team. That pick 6 looked just like Sanchez throwing another pick to a D-Lineman. Also he can run for a 1st down on 3rd down when it's right there in front of him instead of trying to be a hero down the field by throwing passes to Jace "i can't catch passes that hit me in the hands" Amaro. It's sad, all this team needs to be .500 or better is a journeyman scrub QB who won't turn the ball over. Instead we have to watch 3 TO per game variations of Geno Sanchez week after week, year after year.
It depends. Every player is different. I understand the point your making but I dont think it goes for everyone. Foles started 6 games in 2012 and didnt do enough to win the starting job then. The Eagles went with Vick in 2013 before he got hurt and then Foles stepped in. Russell Wilson, and Andrew Luck are elite talents. Wilson got dismissed (dumbly) due to his size. They thought that would hinder him in the NFL. RG III got off to a great start and has done nothing since then. I think it depends on the player and talent around him. I just don't think the talent around Geno is all that good. They have a decent O-Line one above average runner in Ivory and 2 receivers I trust in Decker and Kerley. Everything else is very blah. Nelson and Salas are hot garbage. Amaro I like but he hasnt put it all together yet, Cumberland is solid but isnt a difference maker. The Jets have gotten nothing out of Saunders and Evans. Evans due to injury and Saunders due to....im not sure yet. Thats not to say Geno doesnt get any blame. Because he does, he was atrocious for most of last year until the final month. This year he's shown glimpses but his red zone decision making has been poor. He may not be the answer but I just think its to early to give up on him.
Right now he's not even average. Three games in, and he's rated 27th. So yeah...we should be running more.
I think you may be right--every game he seems to demonstrate a lack of cognitive ability and its not just that I see your post but I've been thinking this too. For example, after we got the ball on the fumble (that should have been a td), on the first play he rolled to the right and then scrambled for a yard and slid. Given the time remaining, he should have thrown it out of bounds or ran out of bounds. It's just an example but I seem to come to this conclusion every game at some point. Still, we could get to the playoffs with him. He is good enough if given time. And another thing, I am fucking so fucking pissed at these last 2 fucking games I don't know what the fuck to do with myself. Thanks for listening.
I wasn't saying that's what those teams should have done. I'm just saying it's a good strategy until you land your franchise QB. Obviously, if you pick a QB in the top 5 or sign one to big money via FA, you pretty much guaranteeing said QB 2 years of being the guy at least. Note Indy and NO were NOT good when they acquired those their franchise QBs. Think both only won 3 games the year prior. Are you saying good teams suck ass in order to be in position to get franchise QBs? Had they followed the approach described maybe they wouldn't have sunk so low and would have found their franchise guy a lot sooner.
