Our D has been better than our O the last 4 years under Rex. The D has also been above average in the league in all 4 years. Dominant doesn't mean perfect, but I guess it depends on the definition of dominant. Everyone is gonna have a different meaning of what dominant means so a person saying the D is "Dominant" could be equal to whatever adjective you use to describe the D once you figure out how each person got to that adjective. For some people Dominant is just under Perfect. For others, elite, amazing, ridiculous, perfect, world class, etc are all higher than dominant. Good find. Cimini notes we also played base a lot so less likely for Wilson. We might see many more snaps this week depending on how the Pats line up.
Do whatever you want. Here's what I expect from you: Lots and lots of complete silence until Geno has a bad game, then you'll go off like the loudest car alarm on the block. If you ever contributed anything useful to this forum, it stopped when Geno came aboard. Maybe you should fix that instead of screwing around with your avatar.
sure the D has been better, that's not debatable but it's also not debatable how the D continually chokes in big spots late in games. "Dominant" D's don't fold consistently in late game situations.
every D "chokes" in big games now. This is the modern era of football where every advantage is given to the offense. Teams (except the Jets) are lighting the scoreboards up like a damn Christmas tree. I've been a Rex critic, but the defensive play in his era have been about as close to "dominant" as were going to see, perhaps ever again. They way we won sunday - giving up the lead late and rallying to win with the offense is how modern day football games are won... league-wide. Both defenses "choked". Welcome to 2013. The fact that more often than not, this defense keeps the Jets relevant, despite horrid offensive play is a testament to the tremendous work being done on that side of the ball. Junc, I have no question you watch our Jets religiously- but I have to doubt whether you watch the rest of the league. If you did, you wouldn't hold the Jets Defense to the standards of the 1980s, like you do. You see that track meet Monday night?? Welcome to the future of this league - it's here.
name me the "dominant" D that routinely chokes in late game situations? please show examples. not one here or one there, doing it consistently every year.
There are no more "dominant" D's by your dated standards - that's my point. it's a thing of the past. Our NYJ are about as close as it's going to get anymore.
so then please don't call our D dominant. Our D is nowhere near dominant, again dominant D's don't consistently choke in late game situations. Our D has been good to very good, dominant at times but not often enough to be considered a dominant D.
The Jets sure don't do it consistently every year. I guess a turnover on the 5 yard line leading to score is totally the fault of the defense! :lol: Stop holding the Jets D to unrealistic standards while excusing the poor offensive play in recent times that has directly lead to countless points for the opposition. The Jets D keeping the game close despite 5 TOs is dominant in my book. Show me any other team that turns the ball over that much yet still consistently wins. To you, allowing one or two 3rd down conversions is equivalent to choking, especially when it's a monster like Vjax! I guarantee that if our offense stops turning the ball over and scoring instead, the D will be just fine at the end of the game. Other than the turnover, the Bucs only sniffed the red zone ONCE. That is dominant. The bottom line is that the D shouldn't need game winning stops, the offense needs to produce.
w/ the game on the line they couldn't get a stop, it has happened often since 2009. 2009: at Miami vs. Jax vs. Atl 2010: at Cle vs. Hou at den 2011: at den at Oak at NE 2012: at Mia at NE 2013: vs. TB this doesn't count the choke in the 2 title games or allowing a late game score in the '10 WC game. name me another "big time" D that has that many late game collapses?
they didn't end the game but I wouldn't call that a choke, if we were down and they failed I would call that a choke.
it's reality, common sense to anyone who understands the game. we are supposed to have a big time D, big time Ds consistently end games rather than allow game winning points. to lose one late every one in a while is one thing but 2-3 a year? not a big time D.
Dominant is subjective too. We've had a top tier defense since Rex came aboard no matter how you want to slice it, the numbers bear that out. Have they blown their fair share of late game leads? Yup. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. We have one of the better defenses in the league but they seem to have too much of a tendency for bending all game and breaking in crucial moments. It is what it is. It's a little pointless to argue over whether "dominant" is the proper adjective to use. In any case, I have a feeling that with the players that Rex has to work with this season this defense could become a serious force to be reckoned with. Edit: Trip, not directing my comment at you, just riffing off what you said...
Comparing defenses from year to year is kind of pointless. The Jets defense this year looks absolutely nothing like the 09 or 10 versions. If you think Rex buckles when the game is close and late, I guess you can believe that...but the defense itself, this year- we have nothing to compare it against. If Landry makes the tackle we're not even having this conversation.
Totally agree, this defense is going to be a whole different animal. We may have lost some talented vets but we suddenly have lots of speed at LB and S, something that was sorely lacking for a number of years. If the young guys figure things out quick enough this D could be deadly.
