They're just trying to say that Terry Bradway didn't have the majority of the decision-making for personnel, and also that Cohen isn't going to have that same responsibility now, both of which are bullshit.
You don't exactly have your facts straight on the Mara's. They ran the Giants into the ground with their front office moves. It's only after the NFL stepped in and made George Young available that the Giants fortunes turned. He is the guy that hired Perkins who put together Parcells and BB along with Coughlin who was part of that staff. The Mara's put Coughlin on a 1 year deal if he didn't produce last year he was gone in year 4. It wasn't until Mara went to the NFL with his hat in his hand that they got Young.
Dear Winstonbiggs, I should have emphasized the Coughlin years rather than pre-George Young years. I don't know that the Tisches were involved with the Giants pre-George Young, though... Incidentally, wasn't George Young's most important job to make peace between the Maras who were feuding at the time?
Hey it took Cowher 10 years to win one, even though he made it there in less than 4 in '96 before SB XL. I wish more teams would practice the patience that the Rooney family does. They are the standard for ownership in sports. Patience in football is asking a lot, but when done - the results are worth the wait. We haven't had a Head Coach for more than 5 years since Walton and Michaels' terms 30 years ago. Both of which lead the Jets to 7 playoff appearances combined. Maybe, just maybe - if Mangini gets 5+ years to implement his plan we can see the same results.
Couldn't agree with you more on this one. Callahan is a terrific Assistant/Coordinator...he's just not HC material...JMHO. On another note...Kelly who is that fabulous blonde in the picture...woo hoo!! Peace! The Mezz
His most important job was to take over the football operations and build the staff and the team. He did a pretty good job of it. Incidentally the Giants went to the league and got Young we went to the league and got Bradway and Herm. The NFL got their revenge for SB3.
NO you dummy...4-12...Pete Kendall...Chad Pennington is still here...Bryan Thomas got a monster contract...D'Brick is a bust...come on man...you think keeping a dummy like Mangini around LONGER is good for this franchise? He's a BB wannabe on Krispy Kremes. He's the worst coach ever. Unimaginative...lazy...unlikable (Baker, Coles, Kendall)...poor drafts... I'm just keeping it real. Heres a challenge you HOMERS could use...what great coaches haven't won a Super Bowl after 2 years? Yea, good luck finding one. We saw the faith Johnson has in him when he hired Callahan...LOL...I couldn't say that one with a straight face. The internet would cover that for me of course but fuck it...
When you wake from a nap and read this, it really pisses you off.... then the grogginess fades and it sinks in that its pure sarcasm, then you begin to smile. FU for posting it......
Thank you, JetsLookingforDWare. You are telling these people THE TRUTH! (I am sorry everyone now hates both of us more than ever, since I ahve few fans on this forum, especially now that I agree with you.) I am not as negaive about the Jet's future prospects as you are--hey, if a modern NFL team can make the palyoffs with a mediocre defense and a running game but a weak passing game? This is it! And--who knows what can happen? But anyone who is realistic about this team should get your message. Every fan should ask themselves these simple questions: Do the Jets have so much talent that we should expect to see them in the playoffs? Do the Jets have such an amazing coaching staff (think Vince Lombardi or Bill Parcells) that the Jets will be in the playoffs? Are there one or two players on the Jets--like a Joe Namath or a Curtis Martin--who can lift this team? (And please do not tell me that Leon Washington or Chad Pennington will do that.) Think about it: name five skill position players who will lift this team into the championshp game. Because I just do not see it.
You do realize he was being sarcastic? Right? It is pretty obvious if you are here everyday and read DWare's posts regularly. Unless of course you just show up every few weeks to troll, but that isn't you right? (Please note sarcasm)
I personally would love to see the Mangini era be a succesful one, and it may yet prove out to be. But it's hard to be optimistic. A couple of points in particular make that difficult: The Qb situation. I know, as does everyone here, that the too large group of Chad Fans make it difficult to handle this one purely on the merits, particularly for a HC with no track record. But we are entering year three of the Mangini era with the "top two" (heh!) Qb's on the roster a combo of a washed up has been and a huge question mark. That's not good. In year one the HC can't be blamed for that. Year three? How can he escape any blame? Yeah, you can say all you want that they will sort this out in camp. But the fact that this is so up in the air at this point is really inexcusable. At a minimum some effort should have been made to bring a quality vet in at Qb. I figure either Mangini secretly has some reason to think Clemens will get it done. Every other possible scenario, even if Mangini lucks out, ends up being some variation of he doesn't have a clue. The Kendall deal. This seemed big at the time, and in hindsight there's nothing that diminishes how telling, how revealing, the way this was handled was. In a word, arrogance. Arrogance that Mangini and the team could ignore they had allowed Kendall to obtain leverage. Arrogance that they could beat him with little games in camp. Arrogance that they knew better what Kendall was worth. Arrogance that they could "handle" his leaving. Arrogance that when he left they didn't need to do anything more than put Bender or Clarke in there. Arrogance and one other thing - incompetence. Personnel and the 3-4. What was achieved in waiting, what did we learn that we did not know a year ago, about the players that were expected this time last year to make the 3-4 work? Nothing. They had every reason to acknowledge that neither Robertson nor Vilma was suited for the 3-4. No trades were attempted. No changes to the D were made. They just let another year go by without getting anything for it. All that realy happened is the trade value of the two went down. The Draft. This is not a total negative, obviously. Mangold is an excellent player. Revis and Harris are instantly two of the better players on the team. But all the other picks have been either merely adequate (Ferguson for the fourth pick in the draft - adequate for that pick is actually an overstatement), unknown (Clemens - see first point above), mediocre (most of the rest), or awful. The bottom line is, can we say that the talent on this team (exclusive of the FA's this off season - those guys are not a reflection of the draft) is overall better than when Mangini came in? Much may depend on the performance of the players picked in this year's draft. We are all hopeful about that, but at best this remains to be seen. So far the performance on the draft by this regime is so so at best. None of the foregoing equates to a firm conclusion that Mangini cannot still succeed. But none of the foregoing inspire confidence in that regard, either.
Good points. The QB situation is the foundation of questions that linger on this team. If Clemens isn't the answer, I'd like to see them draft a blue-chip kid that will have a Line and Defense around him to help him grow, similar to what Aaron Rodgers has with the Packers, but the Jets are not at the same talent level at this point. The Kendall deal is like that mistake you made with a friend or girlfriend or boss that you know you'll never make again. Thats a pure growing pain. Baker is different, there are adequate replacements and he isn't taking the popular route to getting a compromise. The 3-4 people are here. I feel that it will take the new guys until a few games in the year until they master their positions. The Miami game helps the growing pains by playing a JV team to practice on, but it doesn't get any easier in the next two weeks. The Bye week may once again be the turning point for the defense. This time its a lot earlier in the season. The Draft has been very good as for finding 1st and 2nd round talent to start on this team (2006-present). If Stuckey earns the #3 WR spot, the 06 draft will have been the best in a while for the franchise. 2007 being a draft known for acquiring great starters, but no depth. I add Jenkins to the 08 draft like I add Jones to the 06 draft, since they were for draft picks - if the 08 draft earns the Jets 4 starters, then the FO has done its job once again. This year is the judgment year, and then after 09 is the year Mangini gets an extension or perhaps gets fired, but I think it will take a colossal failure for Mangini to not get an extension. Boss Woody seems to really be buying in.
