Former Saint Will Smith Shot Dead

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  1. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure most of the "Smart Gun" technology allows multiple users so you could have all your families fingerprints, or whichever technology is used, in the memory of the gun. This would work out well if you have small children, as they get older and learn how to safely use a firearm you add their profile to the gun.
     
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    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    That's what you have kids for. "Here Bobby, blow into this tube".
     
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  3. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    only about 3% of criminals who use guns obtain them legally. so if it's illegal to strip the device of it's fingerprint reader I'm not sure many criminals give a shit.

    I think there is potential for smart guns but probably mostly in reducing accidents. I'd love them for myself. you're probably right about cops too.
     
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    You'd probably need a system such that it would physically destroy the firing mechanism or something to remove it properly, making the gun a paperweight. Otherwise, it becomes more of a child lock.
     
  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    people will get around this. If it's difficult it will make the people who can do it rich and powerful.
     
  6. Jets4eva9011

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    Makes you wonder if Hillary was always like this, or that she became this way while becoming a politician.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    She was always a politician. I remember right after Bill was elected in '92, I was driving to work and had some political radio station on, and she was asked what it was like to be the First Lady.

    Her response was "I don't see it as being the First Lady, I see it as being the Presidential Partner."

    I have hated her ever since.

    But hey, she already has that buzz term created for when she divorces Bill in office and moves a dyke into the White House with her.
     
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  8. Sam Hammer

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    I'm hearing reports now that Smith may have started the whole thing by getting into a hit and run accident with the other car. Apparently there is video footage of the 2 cars getting into an accident before the crash that led to the shooting. It shows the shooter's car pulling over after getting hit in the rear and then the car Smith was in sped away. I don't think it has been officially confirmed yet, but it's the same type of cars. It actually makes perfect sense that there is more to the story here. I didn't think for a moment it was a pure road rage incident.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...-smith-former-new-orleans-saints-player-death
     
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    Hopefully 911 has a recording.

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  10. The Waterboy

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    Still murder, getting rear ended doesn't give you the right to shoot someone, especially when your gun is illegal.
     
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    whaaat?
     
  12. Sam Hammer

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    Yep, I definitely agree, although I could care less if the gun is legal or not. It's just as wrong. Apparently they found a loaded handgun in Smith's car as well. Could it be gang related?
     
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    Are you sure it doesn't give you the right? I've misplaced my hit and run retaliation handbook.
     
  14. The Waterboy

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    It seemed Wilkerson Central was trying to find some justification for the shooting by saying Smith rear ended Hayes. I may have misinterpreted what he wrote and I should have also expounded on my thinking.

    Now that they found a gun in Smith's car it adds more twists to the story.
     
  15. The Waterboy

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    There is a sliding scale on what is justified based upon the value of the car. Being it wasn't even an H1, only an H2, I think the limit is fisticuffs.
     
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  16. The Waterboy

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    True, wrong either way, I just have a thing for illegal guns. Smith's gun does possibly change things up a lot. Guess will have to see if there are any witnesses as to whether or not he pulled it out.
     
  17. Barry the Baptist

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    From what I understand Smith's gun was legal and he had a CCW permit. It was also never brandished. As far as I'm concerned him having a firearm in the car is an irrelevant piece of information.
     
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  18. The Waterboy

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    Absolutely, if Smith never took his gun out not sure how Hayes can claim self defense or whatever claim he is going to make.

    Right as I was writing the above I came across this, http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/04/13/cardell-hayes-will-smith/82973778/,"Former New Orleans Saints player Will Smith was “going to shoot” as Cardell Hayes opened fire and killed Smith over the weekend, the attorney for Hayes’ passenger said in a statement."

    He only made this statement after the gun was found in the car so it is pretty obvious just your typical attorney handiwork. Didn't see any previous claim of Smith having the gun out.

    Edit: Also just read he shot Smith in the back 6-8 times after, Smith's family attorney claims, deliberately shooting Raquel Smith twice. The attorney is saying shooting of Smith's wife was deliberate and not just shots at Smith that went wide.
    Shot him in the back and wants to claim self defense.
     
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  19. Section 336

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    This article pretty clearly explains what is probably the most likely scenario.
    Explains the "Hit and Run" accusation in what seems to be a reasonable way and in hindsight being what a fucking lunatic this guy Hayes is, it was probably the right move not to get out of the car if there was no damage - which I am pretty sure will be easy to prove or disprove.


    NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Former Saints defensive end Will Smith was shot multiple times in the back after his killer deliberately rammed his Hummer into the NFL veteran's Mercedes SUV, but Smith never pulled out his own handgun as he tried to protect his wife, the Smith family's lawyer said Wednesday.

    Throughout the confrontation, Smith's licensed 9 mm handgun remained loaded but unused in a compartment inside his car, attorney Peter Thomson said.

    A lawyer for Hummer driver Cardell Hayes, who is jailed on $1 million bond after being arrested by police on a murder charge, said his client felt threatened Saturday night and was not the aggressor. But Thomson called this a lie and a distortion, and said the real victims were Smith and his wife Racquel, who ended up hospitalized with bullet wounds in both legs.

    "Suddenly this Hummer drove up at great speed behind them and rammed into them violently, causing their back windshield to shatter, their heads to whip back, and their car to hit the Chevy Impala in front of them," said Thomson, who described the ramming of the car as aggravated battery.

    Hayes and his passenger then got out and angrily approached Smith, who asked why they were attacking him, Thomson said.

    "The driver, who I understand is the killer in this case, is enraged," Thomson said.

    Smith's wife and another female passenger in their car got out to defuse the situation, and walked Smith back to his car, "but the killer follows," he said.

    "Suddenly, two shots are fired. She is shot immediately in both legs and she collapses. Either immediately or moments thereafter, the killer unloads six to eight shots into Will's back," Thomson said.

    "I can tell you the killer showed no remorse whatsoever, and actually stood over Will Smith's dead body as his wife crawled away," he added.

    Thomson said Hayes shot Smith eight times in the back. The coroner's report, released Wednesday, clarified that seven of the bullets hit his back and one in the left side of his chest.

    Police confirmed that a 9 mm handgun, loaded but unfired, was found inside Smith's SUV. Police also said that Hayes acknowledged at the scene that he fired his 45-caliber handgun at Smith and his wife; and that police also found a second loaded but unfired gun — a revolver — inside Hayes' Hummer.

    "During the argument, Hayes produced a 45-caliber handgun and opened fire, striking Smith and his wife. No one else was injured in the gunfire," a police statement said. "An additional charge for Smith's wife's injury is pending further investigation."

    Thomson read a brief statement from Racquel Smith, who remains hospitalized, he said, after one bullet fractured her right femur near the knee and another passed through her left thigh, into her left knee.

    "She considered him her Superman, and that night, as he always does, (he) was protecting her," Thomson said.

    There's no dispute at this point that the deadly confrontation was precipitated by an earlier encounter, which Hayes' lawyer described as a "hit and run." Thomson rebutted that, saying the Hummer had stopped suddenly, causing Smith to brake quickly, but that any contact between them was nothing more than a slight bump.

    "The consensus in the car was, 'we didn't hit this vehicle, there's no damage, it's late at night,' so out of concern for their safety and because they don't know why this Hummer had stopped so suddenly, and seeing no damage whatsoever, they continued," Thomson said.


    "There is nothing, nothing, Will Smith could have ever said" to justify the shooting, Thomson concluded.

    The case has riveted a city where Smith was a fan favorite.

    Attorney John Fuller has insisted that Hayes, 28, will be vindicated once the full story emerges. He said Hayes had responsibly called 911 and was following the vehicle that hit him to read the license plate number moments before the fatal confrontation.

    A public visitation will be held Friday to honor Smith and a private funeral and burial will be held Saturday.

    Smith came to New Orleans from Ohio State and quickly became a team leader. After retirement, he chose to stay in his adopted community, showing his commitment to the city as it recovered from Hurricane Katrina and supporting a foundation that helped women and children.

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    Associated Press writer Janet McConnaughey in New Orleans contributed to this report.
     
  20. Sam Hammer

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    An accident is an accident, whether slight bump or not. You always have to stop and exchange info, regardless of the time of the accident. If he was worried about safety he should have called the police immediately to report the accident. How could they have possibly assessed the damage that quickly at night time before speeding off?

    The bolded info above is not even close to justification to take off after an accident. And obviously the hit and run still doesn't justify a shooting, but I still feel there is more involved. The bottom line here is that the guy is going to do time, regardless of how Smith might have been at fault for the accident, nothing justifies that kind of retaliation.
     
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