We had both of them on the team at the same time and we still sucked. This is the Jets we're talkin about, ha.
i wonder if i went to a steelers message board if i would see a thread about joey porter leading the league in sacks, or if i went to a chargers message board i would see a thread about drew brees. something tells me i wouldn't though. those 3 players have very good players in the roles they used to have on this team. i have said many times i would have liked to see what vilma could have done with jenkins at NT and harris next to him. other than that i can't really say i miss any of those guys. i know for sure i dont miss abe, he is just to injury prone. if he plays the next few years without missing significant time maybe i will start to miss him too, but he doesn't fit the defense that we play anymore. if the idea would have been to stand him up at OLB ill take what we have on the roster now over abe any day of the week.
You really don't think Steeler or Charger fans follow their former players? I'm sure they do. Having said that, the Steelers got like 8 or 9 years out of Porter before jettisoning him, and the Chargers have replaced with Brees with a pro-bowl caliber player in Rivers, who they already had on their roster. The Jets have yet to draft Moss' or Abraham's replacements... particularly in the case of Moss. We did draft Vilma's replacement in Harris, however. I'm just saying we've let some explosive difference-making players get away too soon. That's all.
Yes, I realize this, but when you work out the numbers, Coles has a considerably higher catches per game and yards per game average (I just said a season as an estimate because I didn't actually look at the number of games, admittedly this was a terrible estimate). . . What I am saying is that Coles is obviously a more productive receiver by the numbers. (Heck, give Moss 30 games fewer instead of 25, his averages still wouldn't match Coles' averages) Also, I prefer to use seasons in the league as the barometer (Another reason I initially said "one extra season") because I believe that, since injuries are such a large part of the game, a receivers durability and ability to play hurt should be a factor of consideration. When you look at Coles and Moss, Coles has been a more durable player and has missed less playing time than Moss (in terms of percentage of games of his career) and has been injured as much as any receiver in the league. I really don't see a legitimate argument for Moss being as good as Coles . . . But hey, to each his own . . .
Just so you know, Coles is at 4.615 catches per game for his career while Moss is at 3.81 catches per game for his career. Coles has 59.98 receiving yards per game while Moss has 59.75 receiving yards per game. Moss has .407 TDs per game while Coles has .328 TDs per game for his career.
Yes, but that is partially due to Moss' inability to stay healthy and miss a lot more games than Coles. That has to be part of the comparison.
Moss is more explosive, Coles is more productive and reliable. In the end, they are about equal players.
Hi my name is Santana moss one on one im basically unguardable... I can beat any db with my speed and I have pretty good hands.. Im also hands down faster then anybody on my old team. and Im going to the Pro Bowl.... AGAIN
Some of you guys might hate me for bring up his name but Keyshawn would have been great too. I liked Keyshawn when other people didn't. I love Moss kinda wish we kept coles and gave him that long term contrat and still kept Moss. It would have been nice to see Moss, Coles, and Cotchery lining up together. Or even Keyshawn, Coles, and Moss and then later Coles, Moss, and Cotchcery. It would have been nice to see the recieving corps through the years for example: Chrebet, Johnson, and Coles Johnson, Coles, and Moss Coles, Moss, and Cotchery If only we had a QB.
Vilma? He is a stat machine..for a team that has given up almost 200 points this year...we really need to get over this guy.
Yet I feel like Moss is a more legitimate number 1 wideout then Coles. I also beleive the Jets would be a lot more dangerous with Moss then we are with Coles.
Coles also has much better hands than Moss and only has 5 career fumbles while Moss has 14. That's a pretty big difference. I'll stop posting on this because I feel like I laid out the stats which show how much more productive Coles is than Moss.
You know, most of the other posters in this thread feel like they are equel. I am pretty close to that idea. But to beleive you proved Coles was better is a stretch. You somehow consider Moss, who has played in 25 fewer games then Coles, yet has scored more TDs then Coles, to be less productive. Your arguement that he has more yards and a better YPG average is silly. There is less then a one yard difference between them. I kind of think that if Moss played in 25 more games he would end up with 1500 more yards. ANd a lot more TDs.
i didnt say they dont follow them i just doubt i would see a thread meant to bash the team for letting players that happen to be doing well with other organizations leave the organization.
Uhm, again they both have the SAME number of TDs. Moss does not have more. Also, Coles averages 33% more catches per game (that is NOT insignificant). He averages more first downs per game. He averages more receiving yards per game (admittedly by very little). He fumbles a lot yes. He is a lot more durable. He has better hands. I'm not sure how it's not obvious that Coles is a more productive receiver than Moss. But again, to each his own . . .
