Here's an idea - why don't you follow all the ex-jet players' teams. Santana Moss? That's rich. Vilma? Richer. John "Ouch my fingernail hurts" Abraham? Nuts...yer all friggin nuts.
Hi my name is Santana Moss - Don't bother trying to tackle me, because I'd rather run out of bounds. Hi my name is John Abraham - Please don't hurt me. Hi my name is Jonathan Vilma - Where should I be standing?
This is a stupid thread . . . let's looks at some of these players in more detail. Vilma - A very good, speedy 4-3 outside linebacker. The bottom line is, he didn't fit our system. Also, I too, have watched some saints games this year. News flash for you: THEIR DEFENSE SUCKS. Most of those 72 tackles are 8 yards down the field. As we saw when David Harris had all of those tackles last year for us, a guy with a lot of tackles does not necessarily (and, in point of fact, probably doesn't) mean good things for the defense as a whole. So, my point is, while Vilma is clearly flourishing in the 4-3 system individually, he's on one of the worst defenses in football and he certainly isn't making the Saints defense into anything to write home about. He's playing the way we all KNEW he would in a 4-3 system. Unfortunately for him, we play a 3-4 and he was too small to play in our system. We take our Second Round (or third? I can't remember) draft pick based on his playing time and production and WE MOVE ON. Abraham - A great Pass-rusher WHEN HEALTHY. Unfortunately, the guy is a lock to miss a good 30-40% of every season in his career. Since he is paid as one of the top 5 pass-rushers in football, I never thought he was worth it. I'm not sure what more there is to say. Anyone remember the 01 Raider playoff game when we couldn't get within 5 yards of Gannon? Remember how he was dressed but just couldn't go? Remember how frustrating that was? And what have the falcons done with him since acquiring him, again? Moss - As I'm sure you are all well aware of, we traded him for LC. I personally think Coles is the better ALL-AROUND receiver, however, even if you think Moss is slightly better, I think this has been a very even trade. Moss has developed into an elite deep threat in the NFL, while Coles is one of the best possession receivers in the league. Both players put up great numbers and I don't see how anyone can say the Jets got the short end of the stick. (Again, I would take Coles over Moss anyday)
Oh there's no shortage of stupid threads around here. Most of the people will bitch about something one week, get what they want the next, and bitch that they took that route. It's called schitzophrenia.
Moss, Abraham, and Vilma we're all good players as Jets so it doesn't come as a suprise that they're good players elsewhere. It's not like Schlegel and Robertson are the stars of the league since they left the Jets. Haha Schlegel, that guy even playing anymore?
Um. This post is stupid. Here is a complete list of players that were here during Parcells' regime when Mangini got here and their current status: Coles - currently with the team Abraham - franchised and traded, acquired Mangold with the pick Martin - began 2006 on PUP for bone-on-bone kneee condition and retired the next season Mawae - released, now with the Titans Pennington - released, now with the Dolphins Ellis - currently with the team In addition, Mangini brought Rick Lyle and Bryan Cox, both ex-Parcells players in to be assistants. What point are you failing to make? Herm got rid of most of Parcells' players and a lot of them went on to win SB rings with the Pats.
I think the main point is that the Jets have let too many of their stud first rounders walk too soon. The Jets are left with only Ellis and Thomas from 2000-2005 drafts. That's pretty underwhelming.
Have you tried age? Football is a young mans game and there isn't one guy drafted by Parcells under 30. I know I know...me being crazy again.
I cant beleive so many people think the Moss for Coles trade was decent. Trading a young rising star for an old fading star is not a good trade.
COLES: http://www.nfl.com/players/laveranuescoles/profile?id=COL366580 Moss: http://www.nfl.com/players/santanamoss/profile?id=MOS717844 No offense but get a clue. Btw, Coles is only ONE YEAR older than Moss.
Just to sum it up for you, Coles has 205 MORE catches and 1,523 MORE yards than Moss in only ONE extra season of time in the league.
I'd have to add Kareem McKenzie who is a stud RT for the Superbowl champion Giants. He's part of the reason they've had such a good rushing attack.
Alright fair enough. One extra season and thats my mistake. But Coles does not have better stats. You forgot to mention that Moss has as many revieving TD's as Coles in one LESS season. And has more overall TD's then Coles due to his awsome return skills. But I will back it down and say IMO, Moss is a much more valueable player then Coles has been since he rejoined the Jets.
How do you figure that Coles doesn't have better stats??? Again, he has 1,523 MORE yards and 205 MORE catches in ONLY one extra season. I hear you about the touchdowns but Coles has him on 2 of the 3 main stats and he has him rather easily. (Btw, Coles has much better hands than Moss as well) And how has Moss been more valuable since the trade?? I just don't see that in the numbers. I'm not saying Coles is leagues ahead of Moss. I'm just saying that he's an ALL-AROUND better receiver and is only a year older than Moss and you were making it sound like Moss was a 28 year-old stud in his prime while coles was 35, washed-up, and not that good. (By the way, Moss has 3 punt return touchdowns for his career -two of them were in 2002- that's not overwhelming) I think Coles is one of the best possession receivers in the league, and while Moss is definately a better deep threat, I don't see how one could not conclude that Coles is a better ALL-AROUND receiver. (Another interesting stat that jumps out at me is that Moss has fumbled 15 times in his career while Coles has only fumbled 6 times) Again, I'm not hating on Moss, he's a very good receiver BUT COLES IS CLEARLY BETTER, OVERALL.
