For everyone who wishes we still had Sanchez, we still do have him...

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  1. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Nowhere near what Chip Kelly's offense is. That offense is built to get receivers open. The WCO is just using short quick throws to open up the bomb.

    So lame. You're basically just saying "meh, numbers mean nothing" which is a total straw man argument. I agree that numbers don't tell the entire story, but you want to pretend they tell NONE of the story.
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    best run game and D is by rankings b/c the reality was we didn't have the best in either.
     
  3. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    Umm... What? The WCO is completely QB friendly. And it's not a system that uses short quick passes to open up the bomb. It's a system with short quick passes that enables for YAC and is an extension of the running game. The system has evolved over the years but that is it's main purpose, and is very QB friendly.

    BTW - What offense isn't built to get receivers open? That's quite a strange comment you made.
     
  4. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    All NFL offenses are friendly to good quarterbacks and unfriendly to bad ones.
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    According to Junc, Mark played a good game against the Cowboys
     
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  6. Ben Had

    Ben Had Active Member

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    It all come down to " stats out of context"...:)
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Either that or the "you don't know the game" excuse lol.
     
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    DoubleDecker87 Well-Known Member

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    Once again I never mentioned rankings. I'm still confused as to who said we had the best? I'm talking about on field production not rankings. We had one of the best running games and defenses everyone knows that.
     
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  9. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    The pitfalls of typing on a phone and not wanting to write a long post...

    I know that the WCO is an extension of the running game, in fact I'd argue it's used to set up the running game for maximum success given the right personnel (Marty in Philly). When you throw short and rely on YAC, then run the ball, you open up the field vertically. To tie it back to Philly... that's kind of why DeSean Jackson even had a job. It's QB friendly when you actually run it the right way. I don't think anyone would say we are running a true WCO.

    Compared to Chip Kelly's offense, which many people other than myself have said it's built to give WRs the best chance at getting open possible, it's nowhere near as QB friendly. Maybe I worded it wrong, but look at any article about his offense either in Philly or at Oregon. His receivers have had career years and not to mention, the system is so successful for a reason. That reason is because receivers are always open. Not for nothing, but I don't think Jordan Matthews is a thread/open as much as he is in the WCO.

    Bottom line is, it's hard to argue that the WCO is just as or more QB friendly than Chip Kelly's offense. It's just not.
     
  10. pclfan

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    Ok, Mark's had in the high 60's in terms of number of starts compared to Geno in the 20's. Of course I don't want Geno to get another 40 starts. But on a one to one comparison basis: I'll take Geno. There's just a glimmer of hope for him. As for Sanchez. I don't want him back!
     
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  11. rammagen

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    Geno suck and i feel bad for the people who cant see it. He has regressed cant play under center cant read a defense and has lead teh league in pick sixes since he has started with 8 and people wnat him back. it is not billboards making the jet fans look bad it is Geno and the people who want him back.
    Mark is MArk his greatest fault was he is nto a franchise qb but he plays to the level of those around him unlike Geno who has a magic power to make those around him suck
     
  12. rammagen

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    33-29 is his record he had 62 starts where as geno has had 28 so lets look at a 28 games
    in his first 31 games he had 33 interceptions versus 29 tds and Geno 33 interceptions versus 21 tds the difference here is the pick sixes that Geno has thrown with 8 and the ratings
    63 and 75 for Mark and Geno 66 and 69 so who would you say is better? If you say Geno because of a glimmer of hope...sorry it isn't there Geno has three more games this season to add to his picks and turnovers.
    Sorry but if hated Mark then you should hate Geno as well. I want a new qb unfortunately the only player I see us taking is the usc qb i the second round because neither 1st rnd qb will be there so we go defense oronline. I just hope cooper falls to us we sign a journey man back up and let teh kid from usc sit a yr. Sign online men and find 1 cb.
     
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    who did we play the past 3 weeks? The phins, vikings, and the titans?

    eagles had to play the cowboys, seahawks, and the cowboys. how can you even make this comparison

    still geno sucks. sanchez also sucks but sancho is better the geno. def would've still cut him to save money, but sancho is in a different level than geno. in fact geno is almost in a level of bad all by himself (johnny football would like to join actually)
     
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    below average qbs? or some of the worst in the league, or even some of the worst to have ever played in a jets uniform?
     
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  15. pclfan

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    Any stats Mark had were with better teams than Geno's played on but still no excuse for Geno's all time low stats. I'll take Geno. Of course I don't want him as our starter next year.
     
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  16. FlaJet

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    Christ another Sanchez sucks thread. HELLO he plays for Philly now, Wish him well but who cares. As a fan that doesn't really want him back I'll say this, I'd take Sanchez in a NY minute over Geno. Let this (Geno) human turn over machine play for another team next year.
     
  17. tbruner12

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    All TD's are points for your team, and all Intc's are chances to score points that your team doesn't get. All this crap about some interceptions not being as bad as others is stupid over thought. A turnover is never something to be taken so frigging lightly. All that idea is for, is to help your argument in favor of Nacho. Teams with more TD's and less turnovers win what....80%-90% of their games? Get real. You aren't reinventing the wheel Junc. Just looking less qualified to argue about football.
     
  18. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    Every game Mark plays in is a good game to Junc. If the team runs the ball on every single down, "Mark led them up and down the field".
    If Nacho throws 5 picks, only one was bad.
    If the defense holds the other team to 3 points, scores 2 points on a safety, and Mark couldn't muster a single point, the loss was on the defense, but context doesn't count in this game.
     
  19. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    None of what you have said tells me anything. All offenses are built to get receivers open. Tell me what he does in his offense that a) always get receivers open and b) is more QB friendly. What makes it QB friendly? Because receivers are always open? - this is quite the statement. I mean if receivers are ALWAYS open, then yes, I guess it would be QB friendly, but I think there's much more to it than that. I know what he does to stress the defense, but that doesn't "always get receivers open".
     
  20. LongIslandBlitz

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    Didn't he throw for 90 yards in there loss to Seahawks?yea that's awsome I wish we had that shit back.He's the reason they are gonna miss the playoffs
     
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