For Eric, Chad no favored son

I think someone needs to post that pic that was up here for the longest time. It was a still of when Chad hurt his arm when that Jag was coming down on his shoulder.

I had that thing as my desktop for awhile but can't find it anymore, but everyone at work that saw it pretty much agreed that anyone that got hit like that probably would have been injured. Your arm just isn't supposed to bend that way.

 

the fact is once teams got to see him a second time, they either copied the raiders abd blitzed the hell out of him, or copied the pats and forced him to throw the out passes with his noodle arm for easy picks.

the only games the team won with him are the ones in which the running game was successful and kept the defense at bay. hackett may have been a lot smarter than any of us realized.hmy:

 

He certainly threw more Int's after the Raider playoff game in 2002 than prior to it. And he also was sacked slightly more often per pass attempt. I attribute a lot of that to weakening of the Jet's interior line when Thomas and Szott went away and it took the Jets a full season to luck out on finding Kendall. However it is true that Chad did not look like the same confident QB he was in 2002 after the Raiders made him run for his life in the playoffs.

Offhand I can't think of any QB's in the NFL at the moment who are capable of winning consistently without a strong rushing attack. I originally was going to say I could count them on the fingers of one hand, however the only person who stuck out when I tried to find them was Tom Brady, and he actually does not do all that well when the Pat's rushing attack is shut down. I took a hard look at Jay Fiedler too, because of the Dolphins legendary problems in finding a runningback, however the fish also stunk the joint up when the running game was shut down.

The only QB's I can think of since the merger who won without much of a rushing attack were Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. So I think if your name is not Dan you're not likely to win much without real support from the ground game.

I think Hackett did about as much as could be done with the talent available to him on the Jets. You can say the same about his work with the Bucs last year.

 

There is no question Hackett was a smart guy.

The ridiculous bashing he took was just stupid. He was a really smart guy.

Herman Edwards dumbed down the offense, there is no question about that.

D'Brickwall

 

What are Hackett's excuses for the jobs he did with the Chiefs and at USC then?

 

maybe McNabb too, because, Philly has no running game so they constantly rely on McNabb's arm.

and Junc... sure Pennington earned the job or whatever; but when Pennington played poorly he was never the subject of Herm's criticism. when the blame was cleary Pennington's, Herm would never so much as hint at it because of his love fest for Pennington. some may say that that's a good coach because he was deflecting blame; thing is, he deflected it onto other areas of the team (i.e. coaches, Defense, OL, etc.), but never Pennington.




cheers

 

that was the problem with chad- an alleged gm who neglected the o-line in 4 drafts, except for dennis green's gift of kendall, and a head coach who played him behind a bad line much too soon.

we can all agree that playing fieldler or bolly last season would have been a better move long-term. but, i suspect herm wasn't thinking long-term. he already knew he was going to bolt before last season even started. hmy:

 

I think there was a combination of ineptitude and lack of communication from top to bottom. Taking Paul Hackett's atrocious and hard-headed playcalling and blaming it on Bradway's talent acquisition is a joke. Bradway may have sucked, but bad playcalling is bad playcalling.

 

^I never thought it was the playcalling per se, it was the lack of creativity. Hackett's scheme actually worked well for us. It was the PREDICTABILITY of what was coming next that would kill us. I'd sit in my livingroom and shout it out before the snap, for the love of Pete. So tell me, our opposition didn't do much the same?! That sounds jumbled, but I know what I mean. Muddle through.

 

The Jets did just fine when Chad was calling Hackett's plays. As a comparison for us all to look at in retrospect:

With Chad Starting the game and calling Hackett's plays the Jets scored 862 pts in 38 starts from 2002 to 2004 including the playoffs. That's an average of 22.6 pts a game, a figure that puts the Jets comfortably in the top half of the league.

With anybody else starting the game and calling Hackett's plays the Jets scored 201 pts in 14 games from 2002 to 2004. That's an average of 14.6 pts a game which is well down near the bottom of the league.

What this basically tells us is that when the Jets had a talented QB on the field Hackett's offense worked fine and when they didn't it didn't. I think this is probably true of 95% of all NFL offenses.

 

Nice article... Good read... But i want some cookie crisp.

 

Good read indeed.

 

Please tell me what coach isn't dependent on his starting QB to win games?
The problem is Jets have not had any real depth at that position and when they did, the back up got injured as well. That is not to say that there are not backups in the league that can win games but at the end of the day they are not starters.

 

Among others Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Bill Parcells and Mike Martz all won a number of games without having their #1 QB on the field.

Herm's dependency on Chad to win games was unusually high. This is likely because the rest of the talent on the team was unusually low.

Herm went 10-6 with Vinny in 2001 and a roster still largely stocked by Parcells. He went 1-4 at the start of 2002 with Vinny after a bunch of departures in the offseason. He went 2-5 at the start of 2003 with Vinny after even more departures. He went 2-1 with Quincy Carter in 2004 in a brief period that included games against 2 doormats (Arizona and Cleveland) the Jet's barely scored enough points to win those games. He went 3-10 in 2006 with Vinny and Brooks.

I've often said that the Jets shouldn't have routinely gone from a .600 team to a .300 team if you shot Chad, but they did.

 

Just goes to show, doesn't it.