My posts are worthless:rofl: this coming from the guy who says the Robertson move was one of the worst in history. I didn't call you dumb I said stop being dumb, I already acknowledged the Robertson trade as one that could be perceived as a bad one but i said i'll reserve my final judgement when he has a few more years in the league. I know in your irrational htared you can't do that, you are a typical fan who sways w/ the wind and can't look forward. It's not my fault you made the mistake of thinking the redskin moves of '03 were bad for us. It was quite obvious to me they were moves that had to be made and we'd be better off for having made them and we are.
How much longer are you going to let Robertson play before you call the guy "not worthy" of his status in the draft. With the way Robertson is performing, he is worthy of 3rd round draft status, nothing higher. The learning curve for DT's has already been passed by Robertson- if he's not where he should be by this point, the guy can certainly be seen as a player who should not have been picked so early in the draft. Admit it, it was another blunder by Bradway- Jets fans acknowledge this, and its seen by others in the league that this was a bad move. Call a duck a duck will ya?
The guy was mediocre in '03 then GREAT in '04 before falling back down a bit in '05. If he gets back to '04 then it was worth it, if not then it was not.
Fact is he's had 2 bad years and one good year. Spin that anyway you wish but he has not lived up to his draft position at this point and with his pre-existing injury it's unlikely he ever will.
I can't count his rookie year, it takes time to adjust so I'll say he's had 1 mediocre-bad year and 1 really good-great year. I'll give him this year to see which one was closer to the real Dewayne.
Why can't you count his rookie year? We are willing to count rookie years for guys like Ellis when they come in and kick ass, having "adjusted," but for guys like Robertson who F'up we just say, "oh, little Dwayne hasn't adjusted yet to the big, bad NFL." Sell that lump of spin to someone else, a bad year is a bad year, whether it's in year 1 or 10.
You do remember KYJ posting over & over again how DeW was not the right guy to draft due to a very poor work ethic @ KY?
I cant believe you guys are so stupid to let this thread get to 18 pages. Champ is the master!!!! I have to give it to champ he sets the trap and you guys fall right in. ALL HAIL THE MASTER!!!!
He wasn't ready to play but was thrown in there b/c we had no one else. I give rookies a pass when they don't play well right away. it's a bonus if they do like Vilma did or like Rhodes did but I don't look at it negatively if they don't perform especially when his 2nd yr was so good.
THIS is what makes Bradway look MORE like a Complete imbecile... Anyone who really knew what happened, knew the media and Skins fans were blowing this out of proportion - Granted the Coles tender was plain ole STUPID no matter hoe nyjunc rationalizes it by us getting him back blah blah blah....... The other guys's weren't huge losses - We're talking a kicker, a ST player and an overpaid OL.... THAT is what makes Bradways Overreaction to the media and fans and his need to make a splash in the draft THAT MUCH more INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!! He didn't feel the need to make a splash due to REALLY being fleeced by the Skins, He did it cuz that was the perception.... He was played - Played by the fans, the media and "rumor's" of the Big Bad Bellichik coming to get his guy when BB NEVER pays that kind of ransom for 1 player - DOOFUS. This guy can and has been played by anyone in the league.... We HAD a GM that couldn't out-GM too many NFL GM's and a "HC" Who couldn't Outcoach a Flea - Yet NYJUNC is STILL here defending anything we throw at him line for line..... UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE..... I step back from some of what I said about Champ - He takes it too far at times... Come on Everyone knows Vilma is a Player... But nyjunc is just MINDBOGGLING to me defending every single thing that the common NFL fan KNOWS Bradway screwed up.... Bradway could have traded the next 5 years of draft picks for Dewayne and junc would be here telling us how he flashed some good moves vs the Fins in late September. Face it - Robertson is a pretty good yet DAMAGED player - And Bradway knew he was damaged.... That's all - Would have been a real nice 2nd round pick.
Nobody gets a pass. If you are on the team and on the field, you are expected to perform. If you can't, we don't need excuses.
A player is one thing but a QUALITY player is a horse of another color. Take my word for it JV will not even get 1 vote for the HOF so that puts him in the ranks of all non HOF players just average
Are you the guy who butts into converations and tells poeple what to talk about? It's the OFFSEASON - we're talking JETS - We could be talking Ken Obrien and Joe Walton for that matter... Go play somewhere else or rehash the Draft CBA stuff or something Acceptable to discuss.
So if he performs well EVERY OTHER YEAR he is worth the #4 pick and all that money? Gee, I wish you were my boss!
Kindly remember that all NY Junc wants to do is dispense misinformation so that evrything about the NYJs looks green, greener & finally greenest!
Thanks for the advise Champ. I am new to this site but I see you are very popular here I have been a Jet fan like you since their inception (actually went to a Titans game at the Polo Grounds)so, like you, i think i can bring perspective to Jets history. From what I read I totally agree with you about the incompetence of Herm and Bradway..but we are beyond that era..Thank God. One thing from you I would question is your statement that all non HOF players are average. In football, in any sport, in any occupation there are varied levels of skills. From the greats (HOF) to the near greats to the very goods to the goods to the averages to the below averages. After all, thats why there are starters and subs. Even you would concede that Matt Snell was far superior to Roger Vick..but both are non-HOFers.
Yes I sure would about MS vs RV but to me there is no such thing as near great there is only useless (harsh I know), good & HOFers. So if you good it makes you average since you do not qualify for HOFers, Now you can argue there are degrees of good which I would say yes to buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut in JV case when most of tackles were 5 or mores yds D/firld & his pass D sucked is why I put him in the just average catagory. When you compare the 68 team players today & see what we had JWN/DM/Eliot/Philbin/Saier/Lammons/Booz just to name a few & then do the same with the 05 roster at least in my case you want to puke. Take JMaC my god he could not hold up the jock of DM or Sauer now could he? How about JWN vs Chad? It is comparing a rifle & a pop gun. JA vs Eliot? I'm sure you get my meaning now. THere is only black & white in sports win or loses excuses & rationalization coulda, woulda. shoulda are for the those who are not FB hobbists & wish to delude themselves. Yes I went to the Polo Grounds & have had season tix since 65
Well, I guess you agreed with me to a point. I, too, loved the quality level of that '68 team..so according to your new definitions McCarrins would be useless and Sauer would be good. At least thats not the same as calling both these non-HOFers equally average. I had season tickets in Shea and am in Section 331 now.
