This would be a mute point, of course, if Clemens actually showed us anything better than "approaching mediocrity". Come on, he is 2-5 with only 4 touchdown passes and 10 interceptions. His play is making it hard on everyone to decide what to do in the Jets organization, cause if he was palying well we would not be having this discussion. Now its all up in the air regarding keeping Pennington, bringing in another veteran, or drafting another QB. From what you've seen so far there has to be some judgement on him because while we are rebuilding our line and bringing in new talent we have to be sure this guy is ok. So far he is not.
Here is an interesting fact. In his first year Manning had 4 300 yard games, 3 3td games and 3 games with a passer rating over 100. Palmer in his second year, first starting and only played 13 games had 2 games over 300 yards, 1 game with 4 TD 1 with 3 TD's and his last 3 games he had a passer rating over 100. Manning and Palmer showed periods of greatness in their first seasons playing. I'm not a big stat guy but Clemens showed a few spots of having ability but he has never shown periods of greatness and both Palmer and Manning did. That's not a knock on Clemens just pointing out that the statistical evidence doesn't support anything. There have been plenty of quarterbacks who sucked their first year and continued to suck and their are plenty of QB's like Pennington who's best year was his first as a starter.
Alright, White Shoe..thanks for your opinion, cause i dont want to be the guy yanking KC off the stage to soon. I actually think the Jets will give him an oppurtunity to do as you say (get a full seasson), Do we agree he has earned that much? Not a total disaster..lol. Have a Great Holiday Jet Fans!
Thank you. I know, I can not tell whether he is going to be the future or not. This was not a predictor thread. This is a young team that needs to answer many significant questions. One of the most important of which is............. Does KC have the mettle/talent to be a starting QB in this league? Obviously there are many opinions as to the answer. The one I did not want here, as this was not the place is.............. No, because it would mean benching Chad and Chad is the one and only QB at the time that can give the Jets a shot at winning. This was not a hahaha F-you Chad, I want KC thread. It just seems that every thread on the subject is polarizing between the Chad camp and the KC camp. Just wanted a bit more introspect on the subject but I guess that is difficult at this point. My feeling is that is he is a fairly typical young QB at this point. This O-line just sucks and the WR's have been less than adequate when he is in there. That being said, " My big problem is why can't a player step up and make a big play for him? Think about that for a moment. With all the star quality QB's whomever they are, whenever they need a big play they seem to get it. It does not always have to be a superstar WR making it either. Last year Brady had a shitty WR corp yet he needs a big play and Gaffney or Caldwell made it. This year KC needs a big play......... Cotchery, Coles,Smith, Baker, Washington, and McCareins all have dropped it at crucial times this year. I want to find out is that indicative that the Jets are not good this year or is it something more pervasive with KC. I can forgive the inaccurate, hurried throws and some poor decisions. That is what you are going to get with a young QB. What really worries me and would be a killer to him or the idea he can be a competent QB is......... Why can't the players make a play for him? Sadly, I think the answer may be that the skill positions on this team blow as Chad had a similar problem this weekend. The jury is definitely still in deliberation at the moment.
I never brought up Chad you did. I never made one mention of Chad until now. Also, you are the one who said "Yeah I know it is patently obvious he (Kellen Clemens) is going to be a bust." at the start of the thread. It is not that big of a jump to assume you think Kellen will be good/great. My point is the stats don't mean squat pointed that out and then gave my thoughts on where Kellen is at this time. I don't see how this has anything to do with Chad.
But the point of this thread is that we haven't even had a first season from Clemens. The Palmer comparison is very relevant because they both sat one season, then struggled out of the gate in their first six starts. By the end of Palmer's first season, he was hitting his stride. Why are some people unwilling to give Clemens the same opportunity?
i'm not kicking clemens. the only thing i stated about clemens was that he is behind the people you compared him too. yes i have in past posts stated that i thought the front office shouldnt have moved up to nab revis and harris but i have not said any of the three suck. you call me a pissed off jet fan, well i guess you are happy with the state of the team? then you say i add nothing to this site, well what do you offer other than a biased, sunshine opinion? if things were going well for this team, i would be bragging on the team, but the reality is they are not. i think what you want to say is "dont reply to my post unless you agree with my point of view, as i bask in the glory of believing i am the wisest poster on this site." you made a one sided comparison between clemens and the others you mentioned, without mentioning other QB's who have put up similar numbers who are considered flops. i shouldnt reply to your posts because they are sunshiny! but you can look forward to me doing so because thats what open forums are for.
Troll troll troll troll troll. Seriously, is that is all you can do? Sunshiny? Where is this sunshiny stuff you talk about in relation to my opinion of Clemens? I forget seeing things neither rosy nor bad is sunshiny. Omg thanks bro you opinion is valuable afterall. Actually there are many more negative people that actually add something and I respect. Sadly you are not one of them.
sunshiny? my goodness do you think every reader in the world is stupid? any body can see you were using the manning, palmer comparison to shed light and forgiveness on the clemens statistics to hide the fact that he isnt tearing up the league, like you hoped. then you say you are an unbiased thought giver, when in any case someone can disagree with your dime store football philosophy, and the first thing you do is call them a troll. clemens is not even ahead of chad in the football world, and i'm sure to this you will disagree? if i dont add anything to gain your respect, so what. who are you? john madden? i dont respect you, my god this is a discussion board, not football class 101. you are not the teacher! wake up! your are not the football guru that you are in your mind. why didnt you compare clemens to pennington, if you wanted to show us all something? you are twisting stats to favor your beliefs. chad never had a season like clemens is having. go look at the stats.
Who's unwilling? What choice do we have? If he isn't a solid NFL QB we are basically screwed for another couple of years.
OMG thanks I learned I am not a teacher from a troll. Thanks so much I greatly appreciate you shedding light. This should be fun. I am going to have to give you my football resume here it is: LMAO there it was for you to see. That is my entire resume of Football. I am not trying to get the Notre Dame coaching job with a BS resume. Clemens is not tearing up the league like I hoped? Hey silly little troll, I have news for you..................... I am a Jet fan! Of course I hoped he would tear up the league. Just as I hoped Chad would and Just as I hoped Vinny would before him. It is patently obvious he is not tearing up the league. If you were not so busy trolling and actually read the link and the work of the guy, you would know for what purpose it was linked. It was not to say .............. You see KC is the next Palmer Manning etc. It was to say that although he may fail, here are several QB's that had similar track records after 6 games. So maybe just maybe he needs more time to evaluate. Wow is it that hard to grasp? Do you really lack the intelligence to figure it out? Do I need to cliff note every thread for you so you do not get confused as to its intent?
Evidently you're not unwilling, but there are more than a few on this site who claim that, after six starts, they've got Clemens all figured out and have given up on him, which is silly.
Amazing Flash you were here what 5 minutes and you figured out the intent of the thread. Not to bring you into the middle of my dealings with the troll but was it really that difficult to comprehend?
you chose particular stats to try to prove a point. why didnt you mention chads first 6-7 games as a starter? your ideas for comparison were used to favor your beliefs, nothing else. spin. spin. spin............
Yeeesh... The point is not that Clemens will definitely be good. The point is that you cannot predict a QB's career after 6 starts.
LOL I posted a link from a Jets blog and added a sarcastic comment. I am sorry you are not smart enough to figure its intent out. Chad first 6-7 games makes no sense in relation to a "Did we give KC enough of an evaluation thread" DUCY?
Chad was a first round pick who was brought in to replace an old injured Testeverde, he couldn't even beat him out in training camp when the O was installed for him. The guy played really well when Vinny played himself out of the position and hasn't ever played up to that year since.
Palmer also had CJ and TJ as well as a O-line with Jones, Steinbach, and Anderson (all guys who can be in the pro-bowl any given year). Manning had Harrison, Faulk, and Glenn and is one of those guys who was literally born and raised to QB an NFL team. Clemens...situation not so nice. Not that he's anywhere near as talented as those two, but those two had elite offensive talent at some key positions.
