Fixing the jets and went has gone wrong the 1st 4 games

What is troubling is that the Def is just bad. Maybe overrated but they have talent. I have been blaming the schemes for the secondary's blow coverage but it is not just one guy its multiple guys making the the mistakes. What is more troubling is that the def is already dumb down per Bowles.

So where do we go... We could fire Bowles now but the likelihood of that happening is remote. If they come out unmotivated/flat and get out coached again then the heat will be on Bowles to make changes and if he doesn't he should be fired at the end of the season.

One more thought, maybe this team as presently constituted is just not that good. Think about what bowles said about the O... lack of chemistry and then his comments about the D being dumb down. Scary hun... I hope everyone enjoyed last year because this year is officially "ugly" and I do not see how this CS can fix it. Hope I am wrong but I do not think so.

 

We didn't...Him and Kraft most likely had this worked out already.. considering he quit so quickly

 

First of all, the team made the playoffs two of the first three years, so saying that that is the same as not making the playoffs at all is ridiculous. Winning 10 games and not making the playoffs because your team was terrible in the win-and-you-get-in game is not in any way the same as winning 11 games and getting into the playoffs as the division winner.

Second, Coughlin had a history of four playoff appearances as coach of Jacksonville, which is also information that matters. Obviously a coach with a history of success is going to be given more of a chance, but the fact is that in the last 40 years even coaches that had some success with one team have not won a Super Bowl with another team if they didn't make the playoffs in the first three years with that second team.

Third, the Coughlin story actually supports my contention, not refutes it - if Coughlin had not had a history of success early on (with both teams, as a matter of fact) he would not have been given the opportunity to stay. The fact that he ended up winning Super Bowls could very well be because he had coaching abilities that were the very reason he was successful early on. If he had not had those abilities, he wouldn't have won early on, and he wouldn't have won later, either, and the decision to fire him would have been the correct decision all along.

You claimed that the Jets should keep Bowles around for years, pretty much no matter how the team does, simply because changing coaches is a bad idea, and the evidence simply doesn't support that. Good teams have coaches who stay around because they're successful, and bad teams have coaches who don't because they're not. Maybe the pattern will change this year - there are a couple of coaches in the league now who had little early success and yet are still around. Marvin Lewis only made the playoffs once in his first six seasons, and what has happened since then? Year after year of losing in the first round, and if it happens again he's gone, and Bengals fans will lament the wasted opportunities the team had. (And if they do win it all it won't refute my point anyway, since he made the playoffs in his third year of coaching the Bengals.) Jason Garrett made the playoffs once in his first six seasons; unless their 3-1 start turns out to be real the Cowboys are going to dump him after this year as well, and no one is going to blame them. We'll see what happens, but it is indisputable that the odds are against them.

 

^ That is what we call a kill shot.

And I'm not even a fan of firing Bowles yet.

 

Me neither, and if you take that evidence literally (which I don't), you need at least three seasons for it to apply. My only point is that observed associations can easily have the reverse causal relationship to what might seem apparent (another example is that ex-smokers often have higher mortality rates than current smokers in various studies, but that's because they quit when they were told they had lung cancer or emphysema).

I fully expect Bowles to get at least one more year, but I'm not feeling very confident at this point about how successful he will be. My biggest fear is that he will stick with Fitzpatrick because he is afraid to start a rookie who will lose games and make him look bad, thereby setting the team back (Fitzpatrick is of course experiencing another often-misunderstood statistical phenomenon - regression to the mean, which was easily predictable).

 

Imagine if we beat Pitt this weekend?

Everyone will think Bowles is the next Lombardi and Fitz Joe Montana

OOPs== yeah that's happening---

My Company is having a Fun Day this Sunday

Glad I am going

"fixing the Jets and WENT has gone wrong the 1st 4 games"

That just about sums it up===lots of mistakes lol

 

Kurt wasn't all that great with the Giants, but it gave Eli an opportunity to develop, a decision made by the coach, and they became division champs the next season. Coughlin still made the playoffs in their first 3 seasons. Coughlin did a good job as a HC and your assessment is incorrect.

 

I agree that Bowles will probably hang on to Fitz until it's way too late anyway...really sad, we have literally the worst QB play in the league right now

As far as Fitzpatrick and regression to the mean....It was actually easy to predict and many fans on this message board were hammering this point all summer. How come the people running the Jets couldn't see it?

 

You have to think they felt the fans really wanted him back and in fact they did nothing to find out how the fans really felt. I do not believe for a second that Smith, Petty or Hackenberg would have 9 picks in 2 games had any of them been the starter. I also don't believe for a second that if they were they wouldn't now be benched. This is a prime example of what is wrong with Bowels and Maccaghan.

 

Atleast half of the fans did want Fitz back though....the blind faithful that refused to dig deep on who Fitz really is and has been his whole career

But the people running the show for the Jets also fell for it which is not good for our future prospects

They could have easily decided a Geno/Petty battle was the right thing to do...they could have traded a haul for an established QB (tough but some guys like Rivers or Brees likely have a price)...or they could have drafted Paxton Lynch or even Dak

They did the absolute worst thing possible though....Get owned by a veteran QB in negotiations that dragged on who is more suited to be a backup. And now that backup journeyman is doing what he's always done...get paid after tricking his team to pay him and then shit the bed

Can't believe they fell for Fitzpatrick as if he hasn't been Fitzpatrick his whole career...just can't

To make it worse they keep trotting him out there now in week 5 because he gives us the best chance to win. The rest of our team has some flaws but Fitz has been the biggest problem by far

 

He won 5 of his last 6 last year (of course losing the last and most important in embarrassing fashion), so they were slobbing on his knob. I didn't mind him coming back on the cheap, but I was highly against overpaying him (like they did). Fitz has always been average at best. Thankfully it's only a one year contract.

 

Hopefully we can be this year's Chiefs. If I remember correctly they started 1-5 with a brutal schedule and rode a cakewalk second half schedule to 11-5. Ironically, I think the Falcons will be this year's Falcons. There's no way they're that good.

 

obviously the qb is a huge issue, but so is our defensive philosophy

when you see other teams that play off-man, their corners will occasionally jump routes for PDs and interceptions. we drive on the ball after its caught

every time there is a run action or play action, our linebackers and safeties are taking false steps towards the LOS. its killing us on the second and third levels

the strength of the defense is the line and they are great run defenders. we should not be devoting any extra resources to stopping the run. we should be playing two high safeties while pressing up (and jamming!) receivers at the line while the linebackers play pass first (the fake double a-gap blitz is not fooling anyone)

if rogers is coordinating this defense and calling plays then bowles needs to take the reigns asap. if bowles is responsible for this shit show ...oy vey

 

How to fix the Jets w. the current set-up?

Offense:

-Improve the red zone offense w/ screens & taking advantage of the D's dropping & hit on some check downs to Forte/Powell. Those guys need to know that they need to get into the end zone if they are given any space at ALL.
-If he shows any dependability..feature ASJ early to force D's to account for him which will further open things up for the WRs on the outside
- Turnovers are a major issue. But typically when this becomes an issue the team & the fans seem to go into a conservative hole & play scared. If anything...be more aggressive. Understand that if even HALF of these redzone F ups get into the end zone...it doesn't matter what the other side of the ball does..we're winning games going away. Get some confidence..grow a pair & make sure the removal of turnovers is relative to more big plays & points.

Defense:
- Time to let the DL loose. Enough of the contain-stay in your lanes nonsense. Let these guys wreak havoc & take over a game the way they did vs. Cincy.Alot of capital going into this spot.Why hold back?
- Improved tackling across the board. Enough of the lazy arm tackling. Squarely wrap up somebody & actually drive them backwards. Tackling in space is the easiest way for this D to get better & will have the biggest impact
- Try some different drops w/ the LBs & also get Harris off the field on 3rd down/obvious passing situations. Lee/Carter/Henderson/Jenkins can all get depth & flow to the football. I put the onus on them to shore up the short passing attack
- Change safeties & go zone. Ronald Martin/Antonio Allen/Doug Middleton...take your pick. All are likely better fits than Pryor.Let's make sure we're actually playing w. a top to the defense w. some level of discipline. Gilchrist could actually play both corner & safety in a zone depending on match-up..which helps.Try some gadget stuff w. Pryor. Can he play some LB?Can he improve his blitzing?Does he feel like tackling again?
-Corners are no longer gonna be asked to mirror for the time being. It's now about keeping everything in front of them..in unison w. the LBs...discipline,sound tackling & most importantly knowing the situation


That'd be a start

 

So far in 2016 Fitz has a 55% completion rate and a 6% Int Ratio.

Fitz' career is 59% completion percentage and a 3.5% Int ratio.

I'll take a reversion to the mean any day!

 

Dude, bringing Fitz back was the right thing to do. Its a shame it didn't work out. He is the 26th best paid starter in the league. He didnt ransom anybody.

Maybe all of us "blind faithful" or the Jets front office don't have the same keen football acumen you have. But I doubt it. You've been a Geno fan for years.

And feel free to look through all those posts of yours to see where you thought the Jets should bring in Dak or Lynch.

 

It wasn't the right thing to do and we're seeing why now...man up and admit it. It's actually playing out exactly how I said...Fitz against good teams is a disaster and always has been

I'm on mobile right now but I'll find atleast one Dak post...I'm a big SEC fan and always thought he was worth a shot. Paxton I was indifferent about

Regardless I was more anti-Fitz above any and all other options....He's been giving teams and fans false hope his whole career. And looks like he did it again only this time to my team

I'm not apologizing for being dead on about it sorry