Fitz on pace to break single season Jets passing TD record

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  1. kevmvp

    kevmvp Well-Known Member

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    We can draft an RB in the early rounds if needed. I'm not for spending any type of serious money on an RB in general. I'd have no problem bringing back Ivory and or Powell. But at the right price. I'd like to go fairly cheap there.

    I'm not totally against cutting Brick. His salary isn't worth the production he gives us anymore. He's become a below average LT. That's a big problem for somebody who is protecting your QB's blindside.
     
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    I'd prefer to bring back Powell (for the right price), let Ivory walk (because his price will not be right I assume) and hope for Zeke in the draft.

    Cut Cro, restructure some guys, bring back Fitz, give Mo his money and then spend the next year worrying about how to keep Sheldon.
     
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    exactly. Fitzpatrick is a smart guy, smart enough to realize chasing $10m after the best 5 game stretch of his career would be foolhardy.
    especially since the team that matriculated that 5 game stretch wouldn't want to pay him that much and he'd likely have to move on for the 7 time in his career.

    also, the market for veteran stopgaps wont be as open as in years' past.

    Fitzpatrick could be brought back for $6 mill I bet
     
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    Any chance did you hear Chandler Jones name yesterday? Brick is average, he's a liability in the run game, but is still above average in the pass game in my opinion.
     
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    Ferguson was great yesterday despite a difficult challenge with Chandler Jones. With him, its a "you dont know what you got until its gone" scenario.

    He makes a pretty penny but even if you let the man walk you will have to pay big money for any decent LT.

    As a fan I dont know what we should do but I will be more pissed if they let him go and plug in a shitty LT for cheap than slightly overpay Ferguson
     
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    6M is definitely fair considering his limitations and the weapons he has, most I would go is 7M - that even sounds like too much, and I think if we were to give him big cash, that shit needs to be an incentive based contract period. I would keep him here for the next 3 seasons. Next year as a starter, the next 2 as a backup QB as he's a good teacher.

    Teams will be looking to sign Cousins, Bradford, and even Chase Daniel as a potential starter.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    I meant In years past we would have thought that
     
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    Brick played well yesterday. The majority of the team did. But overall his game has taken a drastic step back. I'm not against keeping him, but not at his current price tag.
     
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    My problem is at this point I don't think Brick is slightly overpaid. I think he's below average now and we need to begin to look to the future at that position. I'd like him to restructure. Maybe start transitioning him over to the right side. I think this upcoming draft needs to be focused on rebuilding the O-Line.
     
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    the thing is, Ferguson has restructured twice already. You go to that well the 3rd time and he's going to be asking "WTF" We've kicked the can down the road so many times with him that's why his contract is so high right now. Ideally he would've made top dollar earlier in his career and not now but they restructured back then. at this point there is not very much they can do with the contract besides pay him or cut him!


    either way though, yes, I would like to draft OL as well
     
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    That's a good point.

    I guess it would have to come down to him asking himself if he can make more on the open market if the Jets did indeed cut him if he refused. If that scenario and those discussions actually took place.
     
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    IMO Ferguson would take less to stay here, he has to move to rt, I don't trust him with the blind side
     
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    Brick is an above average LT. Getting rid of him would be asinine. We've given up the 2nd fewest sacks in the league. We finally have a good offense and people want to ditch our LT.

    I get wanting to restructure him but getting rid of him would be a huge mistake IMO.
     
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    I'm not sure they can restructure. Unless they add years I guess. D'brickashaw Ferguson signs contract "extension" with Jets through 2021... spreads out the money in existing contract to later years. Maybe they could do that but he'd know he'd be cut before ever reaching the end and you'd have to talk him into it. Best case scenario is that they would outright cut him and then sign him back for a cheaper contract. But you roll the dice there that others wont give him the bank, and LT is a position teams give the bank too.

    What we have now is a little bit similar to how the Lions screwed themselves with Suh. They signed him to a big deal and then restructured so it was back loaded. When the backloaded years came about, they were paying him ridiculous money (our situation), they couldn't restructure yet again. Eventually when it ran out their only real option to keep him out of free agency was to franchise him, but his salary became so high that franchising him would make it even higher by rule. They were stuck and let him go.

    Ferguson is no Suh by any means but contractually being stuck with backloaded money is the similar situation.
     
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    I think he would be a terrible fit at RT. His run blocking game has always been lacking and now you are suggesting putting him at the one position where run blocking is more important?

    also, the DE that rush the offense's right side are traditionally bull rushers (they need to defend the run more).... Ferguson struggles with bull rushers. RT would be a terrible spot for him.

    Ferguson is actually decent at protecting the QB's blind side and pretty good against the speed/quick rushers teams usually line up on the QB's blindside. A better decision than move him to RT would be to draft a tackle high in the draft and play him at RT (replacing guacomole) for a year or 2 to groom him to eventually replace Ferguson completely as LT.
     
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    Browning I would definitely go tackle in the draft
     
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    Depending on who is available (and it's way too early for me to start worrying about that) I would love the Jets to get an offensive lineman in the first round next April. I would like the idea of a running back in the second as well...
     
  18. kevmvp

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    He's not an above average LT anymore. Fitzpatrick has great pocket presence, awareness, and gets rid of the ball quickly. He's not getting sacked less just because of Brick. He grades out as one of the worst LT's in the league on PFF. He's getting beat.
     
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    I would never have beleived that he could thrive e at 40 throws per game
     
  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I like Fitz but he's not Dan Marino.

    Fitzpatrick has been sacked once per 29 pass attempts this year. That's the best in the league (300 plus passes) with Flacco being the next closest at 26. That's the best sack/drop back number he's ever had. Last year it was once per 15, the 2 years prior to that it was once per 17 drop backs. The only time he came close was in 2011 when he was sacked once per 26 pass attempts. In 2010 is was once per 18 and 2009 it was once per 10 drop backs. So if it's just Fitz's pocket presence and quick release, how do you explain the rest of his career?

    I think Fitz is very good in the pocket and gets rid of the ball quickly for the most part, but he's certainly not best in the league in that category.

    Brick gets beat like every LT in the league does, but I find it hard to believe we have one of the worst LTs in the league and a QB with the best dropback/sack rate in the game. It just doesn't compute in my tiny brain.
     
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