Good thread. This is definitely the only time I can remember where I'm not chopping my fingernails down to the bone worrying about who we select, who is going to be available and will we fuck it up? . I'm going to ESPN zone enjoying my wings and beers while doing the J-E-T-S chant a few times. I'll sit back and enjoy watching who we add to the mountain of talent we already have in place. On draft day with possibly the most talented Jets team ever assembled, its a good day to be a Jets fan.:jets:
I remember reading that pick was a result of Brian Cox lobbying for him, probably Mangini too. Yeah I know it doesn't completely absolve Tannenbaum but I was still a 3rd round pick and you are getting into the law of percentages here. I would venture a guess that the % of 3rd rounders making it isn't huge. That is why I just used 1-2 rounds. I guess you can label KC a complete bust. I wouldn't but I can see it though.
It's just not the same without disgruntled Jets' fans, even if they are clueless. I guess it really is a new format.
I don't think you can, not a complete bust. He was a second round pick, was here as a backup QB for four years, team went 4-5 with him as a starter including an important game last year. Not great but not a complete bust, I've seen second rounders not make the team or play, the Jets have had a lot of them if you want to go back. Now had we traded up to #5 overall like for Sanchez and got Clemens' return you could say that, but they'd probably still be trying to make it work, which is the other danger in taking a guy that high. It's easier to move on when you took the guy lower, every pick isn't a home run, doesn't make it a complete disaster, either.
The chances of the fans being more drunk than usual since it's a night format are probably higher. Could actually be more entertaining than we're used to.
We're picking 29th, so unless we trade up most of us there will be sobered up. They don't serve alcohol in Radio City unfortunately.
I agree with you. The Jets got some usefulness out of him. However, from another perspective, may people thought that Clemens should have been a starter and was drafted as such. From that stand point I can see someone would want to label him a complete bust. I think it is obvious that Clemens is not a starter in this league. Unless of course in another system that can better utilize his skill set. Certainly, with the Jets he has shown he is not starter material.
I think he was drafted because at the time Pennington's shoulder surgery was a huge question mark and they were compiling QBs any way they could. They signed Patrick Ramsey, drafted Clemens and retained Chad and Bollinger in the hopes that one of them could do the job. As it turned out one did but it wasn't Clemens. So I don't think he specifically was drafted to be the franchise guy, maybe they hoped they could strike lightning with him but once Pennington was healthy and took the job back it became a non issue. Clemens had a few chances, didn't impress, so they moved on with Chad, then Favre, then Sanchez. There's only 32 jobs, if you're not that good a team will get somebody else unless they have a lot invested in you, which in Clemens' case they really didn't.
It's right across the street from SNY's studios. Maybe we'll see a plastered Ray Lucas staggering across 6th Avenue, that would be fun. I think Buttle can probably hold his booze.
Not to belabor because we agree. Clemens best chance was last year. He couldn't beat out a rookie with little starting experience in college. Like you said there are only 32 jobs. He can't say he didn't get a fair chance.
I disagree. The day they drafted Ken O'Brien most of us not only never heard of him, we never heard of the college he played for. The pick worked out, but at the time it seemed risky. I certainly don't remember it as "a huge steal". Someone earlier also said that Marino would not have done better if we did pick him since our O-Line "sucked". I don't remember that being the case either. O'Brien "took" sacks and often held the ball too long, unlike Marino. Two completely different QB's.
You are also forgetting the differences in coaching. Perhaps it was Walton's idea for O'Brien to wait for the deep route. Shula might have gotten a lot more out of O'Brien than Walsh did.
Where the guy goes, especially back then with no player movement, really could define his career. The other comparison back in the day was Al Toon and Jerry Rice, both in the 1985 draft. Toon had all the physical skills and more than Rice had, but Rice became part of the machine in SF and Toon came here. Imagine if Toon went to SF to catch passes from Joe Montana and later Steve Young in that offense. He might have the records and more that Rice set.
