Don’t forget we got a 6th rounder for Lee so we should have 7 picks assuming we have to trade away the conditional 7th pick for Lewis.
Very curious to see what happens this week, for whatever reason I have faith in Joe Douglas, call it a gut feeling. I think this week can be big for us. I'm not sure exactly who is out there but If we make the right moves it could win us a game or two this season. I think we are a team on the brink that just needs one or two small little pieces and some depth. The AFC doesn't scare me this year. We do not have to be a juggernaut to make a deep playoff run, we do not have to be perfect.
Douglas might be watching the Philadelphia CB's as much as his own players this Thursday. Would be nice if something came of that.
You saw a clear plan from Idzik and then Macc? JD has outlined a plan and the types of players he's looking to add. Don't ever remember that from the last two shlt shows
We currently have 8 picks, all 7 of our picks and one additional 6th round pick aquired for Darrin Lee. If Alex Lewis makes the roster, we will lose our 7th round pick and have 7 total.
It is still very early into JD's time with the Jets but, it feels like they finally have a GM that will move this thing forward.
Idzik's plan was to stockpile picks and build through the draft instead of throwing money away on expensive free agents who aren't usually worth it. Mac's plan was to use his scouting expertise to identify the best player available for each draft pick and to fill holes/acquire talent via trades and free agency. Both plans sounded good at the time and were praised on TGG, but neither one worked because Idzik and Mac both sucked at evaluating players.
and what is Douglas' plan? I'm not being a smart ass, you so eloquently highlighted the others, I would like to see what you identify for him
And Idzik left us without a CB. Left a roster without talent. Macc without CBs or OL or OLB or EDGE Realistically those arent plans for Idzik or Macc, those are things you want on every GMs list. I meant what are we building, what type of team and how. JD has said what he wants, tough, fast and guys who are hard workers and hate to lose more than want to win
It's early, but I think Douglas's plan is to build around and protect Darnold, use his scouting expertise to evaluate players, and use his relationship-building abilities to make the Jets a desired destination for talented players and front-office people. I also think he values character and will stay away from headcases. I'm particularly optimistic about him because unlike Idzik and Mac, he isn't some guy we have to talk ourselves into; he's very well-respected and would've been a hot candidate next offseason.
Yes, Idzik was told to clear dead weight, clear the books. He did, we had like 100 trillion dollars of cap (most of any team). Beyond that, we'll never know. Macc took over a team void of talent, void of a QB. He had to start somewhere, he started by drafting the best players available and anyone who might be our future QB. His first season was wasted by a mandate to go all in NOW. He spent Idziks cap $ stacking the team as much as possible (Revis, others). When that plan imploded, he set on his new course to rebuild the team with BPA, certain FAs, and Sam Darnold. Macc's drafts were OK at the top and bottom including UDFA. He sucked in the middle, but he lost three 2nd round picks (Sam) and wasted a 4th on Hack.
I don't think Idzik had anything against CBs or talent. He drafted Dee Milliner in the first round, it was just that Milliner was a bust. Also, I think Idzik would've eventually spent money; he just held off because he didn't think we were ready to contend, and he wanted to tank so Rex would get fired. The plan itself wasn't bad, it was more that ownership screwed up the coach-GM relationship, and Idzik himself sucked at evaluating players. On the other hand, Mac had this idea that positional value and team needs don't matter as much as simply adding talent. He thought, for example, that a stacked interior defensive line would make up for weaknesses elsewhere on the defense because the resulting double teams would leave other guys free to attack. And he thought he could find good offensive linemen late in the draft and/or believed that strength at other positions could make up for a weak OL. Unfortunately, he didn't realize that all bets are off if your QB gets hurt. As for why CB, OL, OLB, and EDGE in particular got neglected, it's because those positions are the most valuable. So teams have to reach to draft them (e.g. the Redskins drafting Brandon Scherff over Leonard Williams), which Mac was never willing to do.
We're talking plans, I dont care who they drafted. I think we're talking their vision for the team and how to get it done. JD has spoken to this. Idzik and Macc didnt. Youre looking back at Maccs tenure and going off his draft history are interpreting it to mean he thought he could find OL help outdside of the draft? So why didnt he sign a C? Or a LT? Or whatever. He went the easy route, one big name cb after another for ex., who cares if theyre old? Point is I never saw a plan or had a clue what kind of player and identity he was trying to build here
mac was always a BPA kind of guy except for taking darnold. outside of QB though he didn't seem to put any positional importance out there. sometimes that's how cards fall. he often took the higher talent over the higher need. OL in recent drafts has been awful and we've been picking really high and there simply hasn't been any worth while taking where we picked
Really, Idzik was told to clear what? Hard to discuss what his plan was when we just dream up scenarios for why he didnt get players to help win games. Macc came in after Idzik gutted the team and signed a bunch of players on their last legs, that had no chance of turning into a long term winner. Then he dumped all those player in year 3. Thats a plan and we're pointing to the draft?
Idzik and Mac did speak about their vision for the team and how to get it done. For example: Idzik - "We'll explore every measure to bring in talent and continue to compete. The draft will be very important to us. That will be a lifeline for us, year in and year out. We'll use free agency and we'll be very thoughtful, do our research and be judicious in free agency. We'll use trades, we'll use waiver claims, work from our practice roster and have numerous tryouts throughout the year in search of guys who play like a Jet." https://www.si.com/nfl/2013/01/24/jets-general-manager-idzik Maccagnan - "To me, it's one of those pet peeves. Need and the draft, I've seen a lot of mistakes being made over the years with that. So I've been very diligent, when I'm given this opportunity [as a rookie GM], I'm going to try to keep it as separate as possible. Now, obviously, every team has needs. I get that. You want to solve them as best you can. But just because you take somebody, and if he doesn't pan out, you're still going to have the same need a year from now. And you won't have solved the problem." https://www.nj.com/jets/2015/04/jets_mike_maccagnan_warns_against_drafting_based_u.html Also, Mac acquired James Carpenter, Ryan Clady, Kelvin Beachum, and Spencer Long, so he did find OL help outside the draft. It just wasn't enough.
I don't think character plays to big a role based on the players Douglas has brought in so far. I do think he will be aggressive in trying to build a winning roster which is where Mac failed. He's inherited a much better roster then Mac did , and should be able to fill the holes left within 1 off-season and really solidify it year two.
It's certainly better, but Macc seemed to move at a slow pace in building the roster. The OL and CB situations should be better than what they are now. Heck, we'd have Kamara now if Bowles had his way.
