Favre's Strength?

I expected alot harder throws from what I had heard.... Still alot crisper and faster than Chad's passes were though. No doubt.

 

Favre has made some incredible throws, but he's also underthrown a LOT of deep balls. He also doesn't always see receivers that are open and he's thrown quite a few into double or triple coverage. Arm strength isn't the issue; it's judgment and accuracy. I guarantee you Cotch and Coles will get open for a decent-thrown ball. They did it consistently for Chad and he throws floaters.

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His arm strength is there you only need to watvh the Cardinals game to see that. Granted AZ blew coverage assignments and were otherwise inept (and they are considered to be a good secondary). The passes were clean and on the money. After the AZ game many of the deep ball attempts this year have been jump balls, with the exception of Cotchery's reception v NE. Yesterday INT looked like he was confused by coverage OR there was a miscommunication. But given the 1 on 1 coverage that was a legitimate shot to take - bad execution on Favre's part. Would I like to see a deep ball TD in the next 4 weeks- sure. First the wide outs have to get separation - or don't even try it.

I don't want to split the thread but D only managed 1 3-and-out and the Jets had some decent drives. Weird game.

(I am not even counting the D Hall interception- it was 3rd and 18, and a coverage sack looked like a real possibility as pocket was collapsing at NYJ 8- IMO Favre heaved it. It wa as good as a punt and OAK did not get any points off of it. Fundamentally Hall should have let it drop forcing a punt at GL. I would say D Hall is as dumb as a box of rocks but that would not be fair to boxes of rocks.)

 

Santana Moss would kill in this Offense.

 

He's never been a great deep ball thrower.

However, he will hit the WR in stride if he actually HAS the seperation. Look at last season, how many times did he hit his WR's in stride when they had seperation?

If there isn't seperation, he usually lobs a jump ball. Sometimes, that is overthrown, other times... it is what it is, a jump ball. Sure, double coverage seems like a bad time to throw it, but last season he completed a lot in double coverage.

Also: in the last game, the one deep throw to cotch that landed a yard in front of him: Where is the effort level? Elite wr's make a diving attempt at that.

 

His deep balls have been in some kind of question. He used to be successful if he got one on one coverage vs Javon Walker and Donald Driver in their prime. Last year, Greg Jennings was able to get past the defense and made some nice catches deep.

This year he threw a nice one to Cotchery in week 1 for 56yds and a TD. He's made a couple of decent throws that the receiver just flat gave up on. Sometimes the WR has to make an effort to break it up or go hard after it. Sometimes you'll get a flag, and I think that is one reason he will throw it up for a guy to make a play.

Vs. Denver, if Cotchery comes down with the one down the right sideline, that could have changed the whole complexion of the game.

But, overall, I agree that is not his strength, but this dink and dunk routes are handcuffing him. I have seen some games that Schotty lets him throw some intermediate passes. (NE, Tenn, Buff) Those throws and routes are his strength. We need to run more dig routes, skinny posts, slants, comebacks, whip routes, crossing patterns. Routes that get SEPARATION. He has to throw into some mighty tight spaces. And, quite frankly, Laverneus Coles doesn't impress me. He needs to be involved right away or he gets real disinterested. Maybe he knows that the game plan is all 4 yard hooks. IF that's the case, then I can't blame him.

Also, in Green Bay, they would move the pocket from time to time. Roll him out and allow the play to delevop downfield. But, I hope he plays another year, because it might take them a little more time to get on the same page and see the same field together.

Favre had the kind of rapport with Driver and was developing with Jennings. That pre-snap they knew based on the coverage and leverage, how they should run the route to get the separation and make the throw as safe as possible. Cotchery, Coles, and Smith don't seem to have that right now. Keller and Stuckey stand out as guys who are seeing the field the same as Favre.

The old man has still got it, Schottenheimer better figure out a way to let him do what he came here to do. If they keep running these 4 yard patterns, screens, and button hooks. the offense is going to be in trouble. The defenses are getting wise to it.

 

He Has Plenty Of Zip He Over Threw Cotch Twice And The Ball Traveled A Mile, Has He Missed An Open Deep Reciever I Dont Think So
They Are Not Open Period

 

ok i stopped reading after that so i dont know what u wrote after. but that throw was no better than most of his other deep balls (not counting the obvious chuck/prayers). BUT, it looked better because Cotch actually got some separation on the play.

Favre has made throws exactly like that (ie. underthrown slightly but catchable, like most deep throws), the only difference is that there hasn't been ANY separation between the WR and DB so there's absolutely no room for anything but a perfect throw.

 

and i just watched the replay of the coles INT yesterday. if there was 5-10 yards of separation like on the week 1 Cotch bomb then it probably would've been caught. that doesn't make it a great throw or a good decision but instead of hoping for Favre to make perfect throws 50 yards downfield i think it would be safer to hope for some more effective play-action calls.

 

Critical? are we on this forum? You're talking about a throw that was probably his third of fourth throw of the year to a receiver he spent about 3 weeks with prior to that. And that wasn't good enough? We scored, didn't we? At least do me the favor of at least reading the entire post before you pass judgment. I agreed that his deep ball is not his strength.

 

Exactly: Look at the Tenn and NE games as prime examples, Favre was killer between the 10 yard adn 25-30 yard passing routes - and it seems they keep settling for dump off this and dump off that. Also, Favre has a history, as recent as a season ago, of tons of success when you move the pocket. Call roll outs etc.

The guy isn't a statue, he can move. Heck he just got a rushing TD - Favre is trying to win games, the play calling I think just has to start to match it. It seems Favre looks best when they call a 2 minuyte offense and HE makes hte play calls, verses shotty.

 

look man. it wasn't a perfect throw. but my point is that almost no deep throw really is. that's why there needs to be separation between the WR and DB. all im saying is that favre is getting a lot of criticism for his deep throws since then but they as a whole haven't been any worse.

it's just that, unlike most teams with better WR's and/or playcallers, there hasn't been ANY separation on any plays that i can remember since then.

 

No problem, I didn't mean to be confrontational, I guess I didn't get your point the way you intended.

I'd quote your reply but I haven't figured out how to do it yet.

 

yea dont worry about it. ive been getting pretty frustrated with how ppl have been criticizing favre's deep ball when there's guys like Matt Cassell who week in and week out miss a wide open Randy Moss usually more than once. and some here would probably choose Cassell over Favre which is just laughable.

 

you must be on crack

 

Please name the pick sixes?

 

cotch had a good chance at catching two deep balls yesterday. is it favre's fault cotch didn't catch them? does that somehow equate to an inaccurate pass?