how about our recievers who everyone was ready to peg as the best favre has ever had try to get some damn seperation. we have average wrs at best.
They gave up on the run because they were down by 3 scores with a quarter left to play. When they did go to the run in the second half they couldn't get it done, for example with a first and goal, they had to settle for a field goal. Cutler was definitley better, Favre was not good. But his sideline pass on a long 3rd down that went through Cotchery's hands looked pretty good to me.
Did we bring favre here to run one of the most conservative offenses in the league? No, we brought him here to open up our offense. He hasn't shown he could do this since the first throw to Cotch in week one and brief stint against Arizona's horrible pass D.
most deep passes in this league are to really open guys or to WR's that can't catch jump balls. our receivers can do neither (cotch is ok at jump balls tho). that's why we're not seeing it.
The one thing I noticed is his preference to never scramble for first downs on third or fourth and short. There have been several times this season where he had a first down in his pocket if he just committed to scrambling but chose not to.
lol..now I'm waiting for the fool who will eventually say that Pennington was more mobile...doesn't it always come to that?
Brett Favre is not a scrambling QB, he is not good at it, and he is still one of the best QBs of all time. It's insane how many people are complaining about how he can't run, but there has never been a QB who did absolutely everything well. And shunning him because he can't is crazy IMO. Reothlisberger is huge and almost impossible to knock down, but he holds on to the ball too often. Vick could run all over the field, which were the same places he wasn't able to throw the ball. Brady can throw it around the field all day, but he's not scaring anyone with his legs. Warner can also throw the ball all over the place, but he is fumble happy. Every QB has a strength and a weakness. The coaching staff's job is to get all they can out of the strengths, and contain the weaknesses. If I see Favre run it at all, I feel the CS isn't doing their job.
there's never been a QB that was 39 and still great at scrambling. Favre used to be one of the best, breaking tackle after tackle, but he's much slower now and much easier to take down. i still think he's AT LEAST average at it based on how he was last year when he was still making lots of guys miss, although this year he hasn't looked good in that department at all.
The one thing I'll say is that we have no run ONE lousy QB sneak this entire year. It seems pretty obvious we're protecting Favre. The thing is...if he is too much of a risk to run a QB sneak..than Fine...put Brad Smith or even Leon at QB and push the ball forward. We have a top 5 center and top 3 guard on the left side...make them earn their pay on 3rd and short...
From 13 minutes left in the 2nd Quarter after his 2nd TD run until a minute left in the 3rd Quarter Jones got 3 carries. Three! That's almost half the game, when they were still in it and he had 100 yards and 2 scores in a little over a quarter. Also, the first and goal you're talking about they only ran it on 1st down, with Washington no less and then threw on 2nd and 3rd downs.
Bingo. This is the pro game. I'm not saying that mobility cannot be used properly, in small doses. But it is hardly among the most important attributes a qb can have, young or old. How mobile was Dan Marino? Even a super athlete like Elway used his runs at the right times. An NFL team that depends on their qb to run the ball is, in general and over the long haul, an ineffective team.
There was a play in the 4th quarter I think where Favre threw into the corner of end zone to Coles (?). He was covered by two guys. the ball was not perfect, and one of the defnders got a hand on it & the second one also bobbled it. While it's perfectly valid to focus on Favre needing to get a bit more air under than throw, I guess what disturbed me a lot more was that Coles (? if not him then it was cotchery) looked totally listless, he didn't even really fight for the ball, to either catch it, or stop it from being intercepted. It looked to me like he'd just quit. Did anyone else notice that?
You don't "need" a qb to run. Just one that won't just stand there like a statue and try to force crappy passes.
Did Favre play great this game? No. Did anyone other than possibly TJ and LW? No. This is a clear definition of a TEAM loss. We just plain didn't show up to play. The thing that will hurt us the most come playoff time is our pass defense/rush. We simply are sitting ducks for teams that move the ball effectively through the air. And for the love of God, activate Clowney so that we can at least "try" an effective deep ball. Stuckey has been clutch at times this year no doubt, but he simply just doesn't offer anything that we don't get from Coles/Cotchery. Clowney would create a whole new option to use at times. He would definately force coordinators to worry about the deep ball. To be honest, at this point, I think they try and bait the deep ball. They know Brett will throw it. They know that Coles/Cotchery won't get separation.
Coles and Cotch have never been deep threats. As for the team loss, I put it much more on lousy tackling than Favre.
I never said they were deep threats, thats my whole point! Clowney IS a deep threat. And I'm not trying to argue what was the "biggest factor" in the loss. The way I saw it, the Defense didn't look like they wanted to play, Favre didn't look like he wanted to play, the receivers didn't look like they wanted to play... etc, etc. There was little fire under anyone aside from TJ and it showed.
