Watch him, he throws off his back foot almost every single play. He used to do this occasionally in GB but not on nearly every throw. Still, very glad he is here and love the fact that we are poised to take the AFC East.
If you don't think the Green Bay Packers were the ultimate "fading franchise" when Favre arrived, and you don't comprehend how complete that turnaround was, then you probably should stop even opening your mouth on this topic any more. Know what your posting next time, before posting it. Because you are just starting to sound silly. I can't believe that any sane person with one-one thousandth of a clue about football history would say that the Packers' fortunes were NOT turned around after Favre arrived. My god, they had 2 winning seasons the previous two decades & were probably the losingest team in the NFL (except maybe the Bucs), and after he started there they've only had one losing season since, and the #1 BEST record in the NFL. What the h#!! more do you need? The Patriots turnaround wasn't even HALF as dramatic as that. they were playing in the Superbowl only a few years before Brady was drafted! p.s. also, this "the only thing that matters is if you win the superbowl, everything else is complete failure, no matter if you lose one game or 15 it's the exact same thing" crap is getting REAL old. What is wrong with you people? Do you all regard yourself as complete failures in life because you were not valedictorian of your class, and make the most money in your company, block, zip, city, state, or country? Because that's what you expect of OTHER people. Look closer in the mirror tomorrow morning dudes, none of you are George Clooney either I bet!
He done this his whole career the Jets knew it before they got him so you have to live with the good and bad and with Favre there a lot more good then bad. We are tied for 1st place and that what counts.
Greatest QB ever? Ahead of guys like Unitas, Marino, Montana, Bradshaw, Manning (Peyton)...ect. I would say top ten, but not number one.
GB did struggle for a while no doubt about that but Brady rescued a complete sinking ship. NE was losing more games every season from 1996-2000 and then started out 0-2 in '01 before Brady took over and he led NE to a dynasty not 1 Championship. When did I say the packers didnt' turn things around after they got Favre? Instead of worrying so much about taking shots at me actually read the posts. Who said you have to win the SB? I have Marino on my list of top 5 and he never won a SB. He never had teams around him as good as Favre did though. Favre is a HOFer w/o a doubt, he's just not in the top 5 and not in the discussion for best ever. Let's not forget the last decade of his career was spent in a weak div and weak conf and GB's postseason record was horrible including 3 HOME playoff losses.
Favre is my favorite QB of all time no doubt. I'll agree that he is not necessarily #1 on everyone's list. But the just flat out say "He is not in the top 5, maybe not in the top 10" is purely ridiculous. I challenge you to make a list of top 10 QB's that doesn't include Brett Favre (and keep a straight face). Please don't forget what you're comparing against: He has a superbowl ring. He has most WINS ever. He has 3 MVP awards. That is right, 3! He has 9 Pro Bowl Seasons. He has only 1 losing season in 16. He has never missed a start. He has most TD passes ever. He has most completions ever. He has most yards ever. And lets not forgot what he did for the Packers Organization. In the 22 years between Lomardi and Favre, the Packer's had one 3 winning seasons. Favre brought them 13 more winning seasons in his 16 year career. Now he's gone and it's already questionable whether they will continue in his winning ways. But yeah there are probably 9 people who can approach this resume. Oh and please include resumes for comparisons, just don't post a list without some substantial explanation.
I don't know that Chad really has anything to do with this. He plays for the Fish now. Favre is certainly a much better QB then Pennington, and will definitely be a first ballot HOF'er. With that said I am much more concerned with what is going on now, rather then 10 years ago. Over the last 4 games I believe Favre has 3 TD's. 8 interceptions, and 2 lost fumbles. That is big cause for concern in my book. In the preseason when Favre first came here I remember thinking, Wow look how much velocity the ball has coming out. I don't see that anymore. He is throwing up balloons. I don't know if he is hurt, or just old and battered, but he is not playing the way I thought he would. If he starts playing the way he has in the past, I will love the guy, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" league. Right now he is not getting it done.
those 3 MVP were back to back to back--- no one has ever done that. No player was the greatest for 3 straight seasons like he was. This speaks volumes.
That settles it, as long as you say so:smile: Never mind his poor playoff performances leading GB to a 3-6 record since '98 in a weak NFC where he threw 16 TDs and 18 INTs it's all about those "big" regular season wins over powerhouses like Detroit. The guy is an ironman, he ahs incredible durability but when you bring up most TD passes you cannot forget most INTs and when you bring up most wins he should have the most wins as he has the most starts. His win % is an impressive 63% BUT let's look at other great QBs: Elway: 64% Brady: 78% Graham: 80% Starr: 63%(w/ 5 Championships compared to 1 for Favre) Montana: 71% Favre isn't even the best QB in Packers history, that title belongs to Bart Starr.
If I ask if anyone thinks Favre is more than just stats, which is scary because he owns a lot of records, would anyone agree with me, or do they go nuts about what the hell do I mean?? I would like the help of the Packer fans on this one, since they would know what I'm trying to get at.
OK, I have not followed Patriots very closely, so I looked this up. You dismiss two winning records and only one playoff appearance over two decades as merely "struggling for a while" and then call the 1996-2000 records of the New England Patriots: 11-5 10-6 9-7 8-8 5-11 a "completely sinking ship." Yes, it gets progressively worse each year, but they made the playoffs three of those five years, had only one losing season, and had an overall winning record in that stretch! You are really making yourself look stupid now. Quit before you make it worse.
Farve hurt his shoulder in the Oakland game . He was holding his arm in a sling like position against his body the entire game. I have no Problem with Brett Farve ; Other then his errant throws and his ad-libbing that is akin to rolling the dice in Vegas. You cant make those kind of "F@## it " throws! We would be in worse shape with Pennington for sure. I know Chad has that one stat he'll take with him when he leaves football , but we would not have come back against the chief and we would have not responded the way we did to adversity (against the Bills) with Pennington at the helm. Could I be wrong ? Yes! Just my opinion.
I think what you may be saying is that he brings an energy, excitement, to both the huddle and the stands. When he is having fun, it's infectious. Players around him are inspired to step their game up because they see him leaving everything on the field each week, and they feel compelled to try to meet that standard. You feel like you are watching someone driven by the love of the game and the spirit of competition, doing whatever he thinks (rightly or wrongly) it takes to give his team a shot, not driven by maximizing his paycheck by guarding his stats and trying to realize incentives. He seems genuine in what he says and does. He makes the guys on the field look more like they're trying to be a team, not a bunch of millionaires paid to provide entertainment in between commercial breaks. In short, he makes football fun. Is that close? One thing I have not mentioned much on this board was that I moved to St. Louis the spring before the Rams -- the "greatest show on turf" -- blew out the NFL and won Superbowl 34. I tried really hard to become a "homie" but somehow I could not manage it. I even found myself cheering the Patriots against the Rams in Superbowl 37, believe it or not -- I was so sick of them and their attitude. I've actually been more passionate this year about the Jets than I was about the Rams, even though I lived 10 miles from the stadium there too. The difference is -- obviously -- Brett Favre.
Actually i believe he hurt it earlier, in the Cincy game. That's a big reason he was so ineffective against Oakland, the next week. But the pounding in Oakland probably made it worse, yeah.
As a Packer fan, I love Bart Starr, but he played on those great Lombardi teams, pre free agency and salary cap, he played with the same guys every year. IMHO, no way he carries a team on his back the way Favre has. As for Montana, same deal, although no one can deny he was great. Elway didn't win until they put a team around him, many think Terrell Davis was just as responsible for those SB wins. Favre didn't lose that SB with the Broncos, Holmgren and the gassed defense did. My feeling as Packer fan, Favre won with mediocre teams, but hey, that's just me, after watching every game for the last 16 years. We didn't win always, but I can truthfully say that there were not too many games I ever felt we couldn't win, if Favre was on, and did his magic. I find the idea that the most wins ever doesn't mean much, because he has played the most, absolutely ludicrous. If he wasn't playing at a high level, there were always good back ups to take his place, Brunell and Hasselback to name a couple. Perhaps his consecutive start streak is the GREATEST record, ever, any sport. What good is any player if they are not on the field???
You're welcome. I can think of a better one, actually (but I couldn't find the quote from a quick google): the reason that Reggie White, the most highly sought-after free agent in 1992, gave for signing with the Green Bay Packers. He said it was 100% due to Brett Favre. Because White said he left Philadelphia mainly to win a Super Bowl, I think it blew everyone's mind when he signed with Green Bay (a team that hadn't even been in the playoffs for 10 years, and a team that his old team had just trounced). But he said that he could see from the way that Favre handled himself on the field when he lined up against him that game ,he could see that this was the guy to get him his ring (even though it was only Favre's 4th or 5th game). He just had that level of intensity, that command on the field, White said. Even after White himself had driven him into the ground so hard that it separated Favre's shoulder, Favre kept playing & kept up that intensity, White said he'd never seen anything like it. Bummer I can't find the exact quote.
Puleeeease do not mention Favre in the same breath with Montana. Montana was the most accurate, clutch passer I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot.
