No, but Estes lost his job for missing. He also homered off of Clemens. Can't believe the Farns was suspended though.
He didn't bean anyone but if you mean has there ever been a Yankee pitcher suspended for not beaning a Sox player, then yes. Chamberlain last year. The better question would be has there ever been a Sox player suspended for beaning a Yankee player which has happened 100 times in the last 10 or 12 years and the answer to that would be no.
Actually, he has been better this year and he will have to be the setup guy along with Bruney when Chamberlain goes to the rotation. So hate him if you want but we still need him at this point.
This is what Ramirez said about the pitch that Farnsworth didn't hit him with. ""We hit one of the best players and I guess they want to send a message and that's what they did," said Ramirez, batting .478 with 14 homers and 38 RBI in 33 games against the Yankees since 2006. "They've got to back up their players and he did." http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/recap/MLB_20080417_BOS@NYY So everybody understands how the game is played except Watson. He probably does too but has to keep his vendetta going even when he makes himself out to be a fool. Maybe this will be the straw that sets in motion his demise.
<Sigh> Don-ovision in high-def, I see. The difference - a HUGE difference - is that Farnsworth through behind Manny's head. As I mentioned in another thread, that's never been "part of the game" in any generation. Hit Manny in the middle of the back or the hip and I don't have much of a problem. If it was intentional, he should be punished for doing it wrong. If it was unintentional, he should be punished for being a crappy pitcher who can't control a high-nineties fastball. Either way, he deserves a rest. And, because I'm pretty well consistent on this, when DelCarmen (or whoever else) throws behind Jeter in July, he shoul get TWICE the suspension and fine. If he hits him properly, he should skate.
I only saw the replay once but it seemed behind his back to me. Not his head and I'm sure if it was near his head Ramirez wouldn't have laughed it off as he did at the time.
Then you'll have to go back and review the pitch and watch as it sails behind his head. Until then, you'll be relieved to know that you're excused from any other serious discussion on the matter.
link?....... I found it and it was not behind his head. In fact it looks like it hit him in the shoulder. http://www.mlb.com/media/video_sl.jsp?video=200804172543669
Hehe. That's just fabulous! It's like some sort of weird Yankee-wocky world. As if the caption and the color commentary (where they speak of "career ending" type of pitch), maybe this photo will get you back to civilization.
Wow..you actually post a pic in defense of the real time video?...amazing. I've looked at the video 10 times and like I said, it seems to hit him in the shoulder. Maybe you should look at it just once instead of quoting commentators and posting pics that show nothing at all.
Maybe I'm just not quite as on top of my human anatomy as I should be, but I always thought the head was relatively close to the shoulders. Sits right on top of them, if my second grade biology rings true.
It amazes me that whenever the Yankees get hit or thrown at nothing happens but when the Yankees do it they always seem to be fined and/or suspended.
Because it has to do with intent. I can't recall a pitcher on the Sox being ejected for hitting a Yankee player. That means in the judgment of the umpire they weren't intending to hit them. Whether they were or not is irrelevant. Maybe the Sox pitchers are just better at making it look unintentional, I don't know.
You're right, it is. The shoulder is also about 6 inches away from being a strike. (When they used to call strikes that were actually the rule, the letters). So, about 4 or 5 inches from the head and 6 inches away from the strike zone. (Unless you have no neck) Like I said before, Ramirez smiled after the pitch and had nothing bad to say about it all when the game was over. If he thought it was neither would have been the case as he as proven before. If you remember the Zimmer-Martinez game he was ready to charge the mound when Clemens threw a head high heater even though it was over the plate. Was Farnsworth trying to throw high and tight? Sure he was. Even if he did want to hit him he would have been aiming at the waist. Was he trying to hit him in the head? Not a chance. There isn't a pitcher in the game that would do that intentionally. And after all, that's what this thread is all about. Ramirez didn't think he was throwing at his head. The umpire wasn't sure he was throwing at him at all or he would have been ejected instead of just warnings given. It is only Watson who somehow came to the conclusion from that pitch that he was intentionally throwing at his head to warrant a 3 game suspension. I don't know it for a fact but I would guess that there has been at least a couple of other times when warnings have been given to both benches in other games. Have the pitchers who caused that been suspended? Why not?
Of course none of the Sox pitchers who have been brushing back and plunking Yankee hitters all decade had any intent, it's just yankee pitchers that have intent.
I can't believe I'm the first person in this thread to say this, but F**K anyone who throws a ball at a batter with intent. I don't care if that person wears blue pinstripes or crimson socks, the fact is, it's f**king ridiculous that in 2009 guys are still throwing at people's heads like this is Little League. It's time to grow the hell up. Neither team should be throwing at the other. Pitching inside to establish your pitches is one thing, gunning for a guy's body is something else entirely. Again, I'm a HUGE fan of the rivalry. At the same time, I'm disgusted by this back-and-forth of hitting guys. Eventually, someone is going to get seriously injured, and then what? Everyone can sit here and talk shit, but if ARod or Manny received a concussion thanks to a 90MPH fastball to the head, I highly doubt if their respective team's fans would be laughing too hard. Of course, that would just set in motion a brawl, and eventually a retaliatory plunk later. I've seen people bitch about things like high slides as Bush League. Why then is everyone then okay with people firing fastballs at guys? It's stupid and immature for both teams. Watson is sending the right message. "Stop F**KING throwing balls at people's heads!"
I certainly agree with this statement. Everyone looking at the pitch without Donoculars knows Farnsworth was throwing at Manny's head, and I can't imagine anyone seriously keeping a straight face while repeating Farnsworth's idiotic comments about the ball slipping. Still, I wouldn't have a big problem if the ball was toned-down to the high-eighties and stuck on Manny's hip.
Bullshit. Watson is sending only one message. Whatever the Yankees do is wrong and whatever any other team in baseball does is fine. Get real and look at what has been going on here for years.
