Schaub is a big QB, with a strong arm. He has the right attributes to play in the Meadowlands. Play Action is also a strength of his and that lends itself well to an offense that's supposed to be geared around the running game. Not saying it will end in similar fashion, but this is very Testaverde-like. He was a big, strong-armed veteran that became available after a lot of ups and downs.. and had to compete with a kid. A lot of similarities between Schaub and Vinny and the situations that brought them to NY
My support for getting him is based on the assumption he's healthy. He seems to have had two injuries last season, but they do not sound like they will linger and affect him going forward. And he does not have a history of being fragile.
Another thing is the pr side of this. I can't see the Jets only cutting Sanchez and leaving the Qb's at Smith and Simms. Schaub meets the test of being seen by everyone as an effort to upgrade Qb, and at a minimum provide some competition to Smith. I can therefore see the FO pursuing Schaub, if the price is right.
IMO that in and of itself is enough reason to not bring Schaub here. With the exception of '98 Vinny was an interception machine. I hated his ass. I don't want Schaub.
Schaub isn't gonna come here to be a backup. He's either going to want to be be guaranteed the starting spot or at least have a chance to compete. With his experience, he would be likely to beat Geno out. That in effect, would be giving up on Geno, because Schaub would become the QB for the forseeable future. I'm totally against Schaub. If we didn't have Geno, that's one thing, but we do.
It isn't backwards thinking. Geno should be given a fair chance to succeed. With the crap excuse for playmakers and OL he had last year, he had no chance, especially after being forced to start before he was ready. It is too early to give up on him. If you trade for Schaub, not only are you losing multiple draft picks that we need to build the team, but it is in effect giving up on Geno, because with his experience Schaub would win the competition, and probably would just be handed the starting job due to the size of his contract and the draft picks they gave up to get him.
There is nothing but your pure speculation on which to base the notion that Schaub would only come to the Jets if he was guaranteed to start. What, like that would be in the contract or something? That is ridiculous.
No, I don't have a low opinion of Geno. Schaub's choking under pressure and propensity to throw picks won't show up so much in practice. With his experience and not having to worry about adjusting to taking snaps from under center or footwork, it shouldn't be hard to beat Geno out no matter how well Geno plays in practice. The other thing is that with the size of Schaub's contract and the fact that Jets will have to give up a high draft pick or picks to get him, there's no way they're gonna sit Schaub on the bench. He will be all but guaranteed the starting job. I totally disagree. They may have competition, but it isn't to "push" them. That idea is just flat out stupid except maybe in Sanchez' case. He's the only NFL QB I've ever seen laughing it up on the sidelines when he's playing terrible or eating a hot dog on the sidelines. Most are busting their ass to start and play well.
I disagree. He's been a starter for the last 7 years. You think he's just gonna willingly accept finishing his career as a backup? If no other team shows interest in him as a starter, then he'd probably be willing to go someplace where he at least has a chance to compete, but until he knows for certain that no team will have interest in him as a starter, I don't think he'd agree to being traded to the Jets (if he has a choice).
"He'd be a solid vet QB that can push Geno" I hate this media pushed nonsense....If your starting QB needs to be "pushed", you already need a new starting QB. Nobody needed to "push" Marino, Montana, Bradshaw, Aikens, Griese, Fouts, Staubach, or any of that era's quarterbacks. Well...except Namath maybe...:smile:
I just did some research to Schaub, and my opposition to him is waning. To begin with, he's older than I thought. He's 32. I thought he was around 27, so that removes my contention that it would necessarily mean that the Jets would be giving up on Geno. I'm not afraid of Geno having some real competition, and it might even do him some good to sit for a few games this season. Also, Schaub was a much better QB statistically at least than what I remember seeing with my own eyes. Over the last 5 years he has thrown 100 TDs, 59 interceptions, had an average completion percentage of 63.6%. He has taken a high number of sacks, however. I know that speaks as much about the poor quality of Houston's OL as it does Schaub, but he has still taken a pounding. Over those 5 years he has been sacked 121 times. Is he bad reading Ds or slow in making a decision? With all the weapons he had in Houston, he should have been able to get rid of the ball fairly quickly unless he was waiting for long routes to develop or his receivers weren't getting open, which I find hard to believe. My main hesitation now will be in what the Jets have to give up to get him. He's undoubtedly better than Sanchez or any of the FA QBs. While I can't believe it would be realistic at all, I see talk here of trading Sanchez for Schaub in some kind of deal. If Idzik can pull that off, he ought to get NFL executive of the year regardless of what else happens in the off season. That would be fantastic. If he could get Houston to take Sanchez, the Jets wouldn't have to give up too much in draft picks. I doubt Houston does it however, because of Sanchez contract. The Jets would have to agree to pay at least a half if not 2/3 of Sanchez' contract.
This is a silly post. How in the hell does it make any sense to you? "with the exception of 98".... Why should we keep that an exception? You are right though, with the exception of having the greatest single season in the history of any Jets QB, Vinny Testaverde sucked in NY. Either way it wasn't like they hung the future of the franchise on the guy and were let down for a decade.... He was a veteran that they brought in to compete who happened to have an unbelievable stretch of football in the short term, until they moved onto the next guy, that they did build around. That's like the dream scenario for that acquisition. If a Schaub pickup turns out remotely close to that, I would be ecstatic.
I was going to bring up Vinny also but there is one huge difference between Vinny and Schaub. Vinny was an inconsistent player for most of his career but nobody in the NFL doubted that he had one of the best skill sets around. He was the #1 pick for a reason. It was just a question of bringing all of that out and the Jets got lucky and got his greatest season in 1998. Schaub is a decent veteran QB right now. He's worn out his welcome in Houston but he might well help the Jets next season or even for a few seasons the way Vinny did. That said, I don't expect him to be able to drive the offense the way Vinny did. He's really not the same caliber of physical talent that Vinny was in 1998. He won't have Andre Johnson here helping him out either.
That's not what I said. I said looking for a back-up QB when we don't have a proven starter is backwards thinking. You don't build great teams by looking for "back-up" players, you find the BPA and that guy plays. Geno should be given an opportunity to compete for a starting job. Handing a QB the job with no competition and no one behind him is what got us 4 years of poor QB play. If we bring in a new guy who is better, he should start.
I think it's pretty safe to say Geno is not in the same league as those guys? Unless Geno improves drastically we probably DO need a new starting QB.
I agree with all of that. I was being optimistic though.. it's Friday. There are some similarities though, but yes I agree Vinny had more talent -he also came into more talent. No key no chrebet no martin here anymore.... But if Schaub can perform well in the short term it will be a very good acquisition. The Veteran QB stopgap is a path this organization hasn't taken since Favre. I think it's time. Rex would probably be all for it too - no more growing pains!
We need legitimate veteran QB competition on our roster. I want no part of Vick at all. Was considering guys like Shaun Hill and Chad Henne. Have to say, Schaub provides more upside than them. I don't know what the hell happened to him in 2013. Jets need to do their homework to see if he fell apart physically or mentally, or if this season was just an outlier that he's unlikely to repeat. Definitely worth looking into, and i think he could fill out our QB depth and competitiveness nicely. shouldn't cost too much. if he has delusions of contract grandeur, obviously we'll move on to another option.
