Faneca's response to being Cut

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  1. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I think he can. the kid can run block like a mofo, but his pass blocking is suspect.

    This is a Callahan pick. He'll take care of his baby.
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    It's always tough balancing fear and love in trying to motivate people.
     
  3. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    need quick feet and strong hands to pick up blitzing/stunting pass rushers. Vlad has both. Now he just needs to learn how to use them, but his role really will be next season taking over for woody on the right side.
     
  4. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    How is that, exactly? Leon is supposed to be on the PUP list. No one knows if he'll make it to opening day. McKnight is healthy now.

    As for Jones, Tomlinson is better at pass protection, he's a better receiver, he's younger and he could still move at the end of the season. We don't need Tomlinson to match Jones' production last year for this to work. We just need him to match Greene/Leon's.
    We replaced one starter who was the worst in the league at pass protection and declining terribly as a run blocker. The only thing he could do well is pull around center. We would have struggled with Faneca in the line up just as much as will struggle with the rookie, if not more.
    So we get rid of a whiney safety who was a locker room problem and refused to actually play in the system. We replaced him with two guys who go out there and actually make an effort and somehow we're worse? Rhodes' talent was a moot point because he made no attempt to use it. Pool and Smith are going to be better for Rex than Rhodes ever would have been.
    Oh yay, this again.
    You're right, we should have just left that roster spot open.
    Wow, great way to contradict everything you've said before this.
     
  5. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Would it be so much better to keep an aging veteran who can no longer play to the level required and will never be better than he is right now than it would be to bring in a younger, developing player who can improve?

    The OLine is going to struggle either way. With Slausen or Ducasse in it could get better. With Faneca in it would just decline more.
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    assuming leon is healthy at some point he's proven he can be a dynamic player in this league, McKnight has not and Jones is better than LT right now.

    Now he was the worst in the league in pass protection? where is this info from? does that take into account playing w/ a rookie QB who didn't make decisisons as quickly as he should in year 2 when he has a better grasp on the pro game and the playbook?

    I have no problem w/ Rhodes going, it was time to go but we are less talented. As a talent he is more talented than Pool.


    I didn't say we shouldn't get taylor(you really struggle w/ reading), it was noted he gives us more talent in '10 and I just pointed out that he never steps up in big games and he's old.


    How so?
     
  7. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Right now? He wasn't even better than LT in the playoffs. Jones is older than LT, is worse at pass blocking than LT, is worse at catching the ball than LT. LT has the better skill set and, what's more, he's actually willing to play in a backup roll. Either Jones' knee shit out on him at the end of last year or his attitude shit out on him when Greene took over the starting job. Either way, LT is an upgrade as a backup. He can do everything that a #2 back is supposed to do. He's going to be our answer to Kevin Faulk this season.
    The Jets had the fewest passing attempts out of any other team last season and Faneca still gave up the most sacks out of any guard last season. This isn't really a tough one to figure out.
    Is that talent really there if the player isn't using it?
    So what is your point? He's already better than Gholston and right now that's good enough.
    You began by listing positions where the team is less talented, made no effort to explain how we got more talented at other positions, and then concluded by saying that we are more talented. You really struggle w/ writing.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    LT averaged 2 YPC in the playoffs, Jones averaged 2.6 so as bad as Jones was he was still better than tomlinson.

    I agree LT can do certaint hings that Jones cannot and again I was ok w/ the swap but we keep getting rid of leaders and good LR guys, that adds up and when you swap those guys for bad LR guys that COULD be dangerous. I hope it works out but there's more to building a team than talent.


    I have seen those #s disputed, i don't know if he has given up the most sacks of any LG but if he did were they all his fault or did having a rookie QB unsure of himself help lead to that? Our pass blocking was fine last year as a unit, w/ a 2nd year QB that should be much more comfortable and decisive I would have expected then passing game to be much better and the sack #s to go down despite passing more.


    "Is that talent really there if the player isn't using it? " we could apply that theory to Cromartie then, right?


    You need to keep up, these posts go back and forth so there is more info than just on the one post. If you follow along and check the posts that were quoted you'll figure it out. Is it really this difficult for you?
     
  9. Harpua

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    The website he is using actually credits sacks when the QB is a fault for holding the ball too long or making a mistake. Sanchez was creditied with 4 last season.

    Faneca was also the only negatively rated pass blocker for the Jets last season using thier numbers.

    Watching the games is enough that he was by far the wealest link on our line.
     
  10. bojanglesman

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    That's a little misleading. Jones was behind a better o-line. Tomlinson also had to face the number one defense in the league for his only playoff game. I'm not making a statement about who's better.
     
  11. CatoTheElder

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  12. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Excellent post. Rex's locker room can't always be the happy fun bunch. See also: Rhodes, Kerry

    Perform or hit the bricks.
     
  13. Good ol days at Shea

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    I don't understand this. You mean if he gets signed by another team the JETS still have to pay him the 5.25 million and we get nothing in compensation? I though his new team would have to pick up his contract.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That was a false rumor. Once Faneca was retained though the 2010 league year, the Jets immediately became liable for the 5.25mil.
     
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  16. nyjunc

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    The #1 defense that was gashed a week earlier against cedric benson. We had a really good D but we didn't have a dominant D.

    I expect LT to have a much better YPC but to act like LT still has it and Jones does not is silly.
     
  17. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    you bring up benson like he sucked against every other team and then broke out against us. getting run on by cedric benson was not something to be ashamed about last season.
     
  18. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I never said it was but people are acting like we were the '00 ravens and LT had no shot against us. We gave up 3.8 YPC against opposing runners which is good but not great.

    Our D was vastly overrated last year, it was really good but NOT great. I think we have the makings of a great D but last year we were not great.
     
  19. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    oh i agree about them not being great but it's still hard to be overrated when your number one. we do have the best defense in the league, it just happens to be a league that lacks a great defense. but yeah we lost a game because of the wildcat and no great defense would have had that much trouble with that gimmick.
     
  20. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    I definitely trust Don's opinion over Bill Callahan's in regards to the OL.
     

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