I do not consider JA or SE to be of the quality I am talking about pro bowl or no pro bowl. JA had the tools but not the ambition. Once he saw he was blocked out he gave up. I remember one game vs NE where he was a terror in the 1/2 half & at half time NE made adjustments & nobody heard from him again in that game. Yes SE was OK & made a play here & there when teamed with JA but he was not that "special" DE that I am alluding to. Try Reggie White as an example. Maybe the KC guy Jared traded to Minny. Maybe Finny if recovered from his injury. As for MG yes he was a rusher but he took himself out of far to many plays because he thought only pass. The other sides guy would trun him outside on his rush & run inside of him. Somehow he seemed to never learn how to play all facets of FB. He was my sons all time favorite NYJ however
lmao. GFY. (go F yourself) :lol: The theory I was thinking of was that I wrote Bradway because I want his dumb ass to aid the Jets in bringing me at least one ring. I wonder if he had anything to do with scouting Lowery...
You lost me with that last part there. If Reggie White is what you mean, you're probably not going to get two of them in one draft unless you're really lucky.
Yes, which is why this team is never going to meet champ's expectations. He has no concept of what a role player is. He wants the Jets to find the next Tom Brady at QB, the next LT at RB, 380lb athletic OLmen, two Reggie Whites at DE, 4 Lawrence Taylors at LB, etc. Getting the job done is not good enough for him. The players must be superstars & HOF-bound by their first game or they suck according to him. God forbid a player gets blocked on a play and the opposition runs for 10 or 12 yards, that player is a bust. A college DE being asked to switch positions to LB? If he doesn't have 12 sacks against Tom Brady in week 2, the guy's 2nd pro game mind you, then he'll be considered a bust. This is what happens when you live in a vacuum. It's champ's world, and we're all just living in it.
It is a philosophy I don't want to be apart of. But if I was waiting 40 years for another SB like he was, maybe the hate would grow and make me nuts. Nah, I know its just a game.
That is exactly what I meant to get 2 in the same year of say R. Whites caliber is like hitting 50M lotto. 1 in a 20,000,000 chance or more. That means by the time BF is really history we will still be without capable DEs that can lead us to a SB ala what the NYGs did last year with there DL
Nah your problem is that you & others do not want to accept that the NYJs still have less then quality players in key positions on the team.
That's bullshit. You'll never be satisfied with any of the players on the team unless all 53 are the very best at their positions in the NFL. That will never happen because every team needs role players, but you're too stupid to understand that very simple concept.
Its tough to have 22 starters who are way above average. DL is a key position - but in the 3-4, they only need to maintain gap integrity and not get blown off the ball - they are not sack artists, but they do help in stopping the run. The DEs aren't our proudest position, but its not the most embarrassing one either. The spot opposite Rhodes is.
Justin Tuck was picked 74th overall in 2005. In the second round that year the Jets opted for a kicker and a hothead cornerback who is not good in coverage. The Jets drafted Justin Miller at 57. That pick infuriated me the moment it was made. I was mad partly because I didn't think Miller was a good cornerback and partly because I wanted either Tuck or Darryl Blackstock at that spot.
Good call on Tuck, but looking back - is he someone who would have became a square peg in a round hole with the 3-4 switch?
Probably, but remember this was 2005 and Herman Edwards was still the head coach. What Mangini would have done with Tuck is difficult to say. I dislike the 3-4, by the way. I prefer four down linemen.
I dislike Mangini's 3-4, which has yet to actually have a single quality down lineman. Parcell's 3-4 always had journeymen at two slots on the line and yet it worked just fine. This 3-4 we're looking at is crap and I expect them to have trouble against the run AGAIN (for the third year in a row) when the season starts. Somewhere in here we need to start asking ourselves if maybe the personnel are not the issue - maybe the system just blows chunks.
Wow, I'm surprised to see this coming from you. You've always been a glimmer of sunshine in the team's most darkest times. I'm shocked you would post anything negative like this.
Tuck would probably play pretty well in a 3-4. He lines up as a DE when the Giants line up in a 3 man front, and he's a completely different athlete/player than the one he was in college. Still a kickass pass rusher, but way stronger and a filled out frame. I remember that...Tuck was/is a beast and shoulda went in the first...sick player...
