Because we need to finish the tank, get rid of losing CS, leave as many as possible resources for the new regime, get a successful offensive coach, and pick a QB top 3. I don't think a 5th round 3d string QB is saving this team right now.
Johnson has a QB and more than one receiver. Glenn will get another year to show improvement. Parcells only won once in his first season. This truly sucks as a fan, but the culture, I believe, will change . That being said, I wish we had an owner not named Woody , or Brick.
Parcells won 3 times and had 1 draw with 12 losses 1st year, yes. Let's see if Glenn can even match that - for that he would need to win 4 games in 17 game season. Can he even do that? But at the same time there are only so many such examples we can give. For every example like this there are hundreds where the coaches who suck that bad with a decent roster amount to anything.
I guess if this thread is supposed to be the Fields thread, I would say that any coach worth shit would probably not have even signed him….it took the Bears only two years to move on (and probably because they actually wasted a first round draft pick on him), it took a better coaching staff in Pitt to bench his ass after 6 games even with a winning record, and then make a very weak half hearted attempt to re-sign him… It’s taken Glenn 7 games to bench him, so from that standpoint maybe even Glenn can’t deny what we all see anymore. Scheme or no scheme, and yes I get we literally have only 1 NFL quality starting WR, but any QB worth anything would not be playing as bad as Fields is…dude is not even hitting 50 yards by halftime…like how the fuck does that happen in today’s NFL???? Sure we lack receivers, but we also DO have a back in Hall who is a very good receiver, we have a promising rookie TE who looks like he can catch in Taylor…a decent QB would be doing much better…
I still think the process to bring Fields in was the right one. Basically, the concept is to take a young guy who showed some promise at some point and see if he can become a Baker or a Sam, who also were discarded by 3-4 teams each, even more than Fields. If that doesn't work, pick the QB in the draft next year. Do you think Minny GM is not kicking himself in the nuts right now for letting Sam go? I think the plan was solid, but it didn't work out. However, similar plan worked pretty well for the Colts with Daniel Jones. Another part of it is being able to give the QB the best opportunity. Steichen, the HC of the Colts, called the plays for Philly when they had a lot of success offensively, and Colts hired him as their HC. He now found a decent QB in Jones and is reaping the rewards. Now, Steichen probably would not turn Fields into a good QB, but the idea is that you get a guy who can maximize the talent and then give them someone with potential talent. So, I liked the plan, but it didn't work because the reality is: we have neither.
Yeah I think where you and I are different here is that while the “theory” is ok (bring in a young guy with promise to see if he can develop), the actual execution was shit. I don’t think Fields was ever in the same ballpark as Baker or Sam…in that he could NEVER do the basic shit…these fatal flaws have always been there with him…inability to read the field, inaccurate due to that, holds the ball too long and takes too many sacks due to that…these fundamental flaws have been there all along with him. Those were never issues for either Baker or Darnold…they actually looked like real QBs … they understood the position and the concepts … they were just on bad teams with bad coaching but once they got to better teams and better coaches, they are both looking like legit QBs. Fields will NEVER be that because he can’t do the basic things. The only thing he does well is scramble and run. That’s about it. So while I like the “idea” of it, I was NEVER on board with the execution of it…I didn’t need to see any more of Fields to confirm what I already saw. Just like I don’t need to see any more of him this year to confirm it. I did say then that I hated the idea…the only thing I would say now in hindsight is that shit yeah, we literally would have been better off with a guy like Brissett…not that you’ll get anywhere for the season but at least he brings a basic level of QB play that at least can let you evaluate other guys around him like the receivers and OL and such…with Fields you can’t even do that because the OL gives up 9 sacks because the guy just doesn’t get it.
The plan was doomed from the beginning because the Jets already had Aaron Rodgers in place at QB. Can't simply discard one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game to bring in a reclamation project QB. It's asinine. After that was done to not draft a rookie qb in the draft. How could they put all their eggs in Justin Fields basket? HOW? HOW? HOW?! This coach came here with a very exaggerated sense of the type of coach he is. He was so sure that he could turn around Fields the Jets did what they did. He was going to change the culture here a rookie HC hasn't done anything yet in that role in the NFL. .
My point is that though it was clear to you, and big credit for that as you were correct, I don't think there was enough evidence objectively to suggest this was a terrible decision at the time with no chance of success. I don't know what you thought about Baker, Daniel Jones or Sam, but many people thought they had no chance either, and look at them now. Now, if you did think that Sam, Baker, and Daniel Jones had an acceptable probability to succeed and Fields didn't, MAJOR kudos to you! Because ALL of these guys were dumped and benched multiple times. Looks like in this cycle Jones was that right guy, and Fields wasn't. But still I think it was worth a shot and now it is clear it didn't work out, like with Jones. We executed like you said with the wrong guy but frankly I am not sure if we picked Jones, the coaches would have been able to do what Steichen did with him.
All those teams have had their moments in the last decade, even the Browns. The Jets haven't had a winning record since 2015 and haven't made the playoffs since 2010. And the 2000s teams had Parcells guys in the organization. Since Woody has assumed responsibility, the Jets have been the worst team in the league, and it's not close.
Yeah I was much higher on Baker Sam and even Jones than I ever was on Fields… Darnold we saw first hand that he was a legit QB…I think for whatever reason that damn Ghosts comment just kind of killed his psyche…he literally needed to go to multiple teams to get rid of that, but after spending a bit of time with both SF and Minn under good offensive coaches, he developed. Baker I thought was ok, not earth shattering but he had moxie Jones I watched because I do watch pretty much all the Giants games as my son is a huge fan, so I kind of thought he had a bad rap but he did lead the Giants to the playoffs. Did I think any of them would be as good as they’re playing now? No probably not. I guess I would say that I thought all three were legit QBs…they could make the throws, they had the are talent, they just needed the right coaching to eliminate interceptions and such. But with Fields, I watched him starting with the draft because I thought he was a potential draft pick for us…at the time, I remember posting a lot about how Ohio State, as great a program as they run, had NEVER produced a quality NFL QB. Very odd, but they had just not done it. So I was kind of biased, but for all of the highlights for Fields, they were almost all of them him running around evading a rush for 10 seconds, and then throwing downfield to a wide open receiver. We saw very few highlights of him as a pocket passer. So that was a red flag to me. I just didn’t think his game would translate to the NFL. And it hasn’t. Not because of the physical…but because of the mental aspect. I just didn’t think he would all of a sudden get that, but certainly not with our defensive rookie HCs in charge. I never wavered from that….if you want a QB to develop, you need to start with a QB who can do the basics of the position. He never could. Just like I don’t think that Colts QB, Richardson, ever will either. Great athletes both of them. Shitty QBs though.
Shame on me for giving Sally Fields the washed up loser QB a chance to do better with the Jets:/ Now he’s on a bad team with a soon to be washed up HC SOJs provide another fine mess I just don’t care anymore …idiot Fans should do the same
The Browns had no moments in their 2003-2019 playoff drought. They also only had only one winning season in that time; they went 1-15 and then 0-16 in back to back seasons. The Jets made the playoffs in 2006, 2009, and 2010, which was after most of Parcells' guys were gone. Woody is not a good owner, but there's really no correlation between him taking over the team and the Jets taking a downturn. They were terrible under Leon Hess; he had an end of life redemption as owner of the team when he hired Parcells, but other than that, Jet football under Woody has largely been more of the same as it was under Hess. The Jet have been consistently the worst team in the league for at least the past 6 years though.
