2011 Ellis moves to Cali and opens a medical marijauna cafe. Spends most afternoons anchored off Malibu soaking up the rays and slathering lotion on VS models. It's hard to feel bad for him!
Couldn't agree more, thoughtful post. Last year's achievement was truly impressive because of what we were able to accomplish with the personnel. Not that we completely lacked talent, but without a proper pass rush ending up number 1 is a direct result of great coaching.
Sorry I think U R forgetting how easily Peyton picked us apart in the 2nd half of the AFCCG when we could not dirty his uniform so I disagree that without a real PR Dallas will not be a stopping point for us in 2011 since we still have to contend with Peyton in the POs again
Yeah that did not work in the AFCCG vs Peyton. The thinking is if U give the passer enough time they will ALWAYs find the open man. The going theory is that a DB can only cover his man for a certain period of time & then that man gets open & with our PR that is almost always since we have to have the weakest PR in the league or certainly down near the bottom at the least
As much as a love Tanny for the cap guru he is, our FO sure doesn't have a reputation for taking care of it's own. That's gonna be magnified if we drop Ellis.
DE has been bar far the most neglected position by Tannenbaum in his tenure. I don't understand why it hasn't been addressed. I thought for sure we'd see a DE selected in the draft early this year, but unfortunately we're still undermanned at that position and our best player is getting long in the tooth. Hopefully this doesn't come back to haunt us, but I fear that it will.
I love Shaun, guy is so under appreciated amongest Jets fans. I think its safe to say he is one of the best DEs to ever suit up for the Jets. Hes not a HOF caliber player but he is a blue collar, tough guy who is gonna bring it every game. Guy is a dual threat at DE in his ability to stop the run and rush the passer. Granted he didn't have too many double digit sack seasons, but he is always very good year in and year out, minus when he was tried out at DT. We don't have the depth or the talent to replace him at the moment. If we cut him and win a Super Bowl this year, that's a huge slap in the face. He is more then good enough and deserves to play for a championship contender team, especially the Jets, that most fans and analysts think we have here. He is EASILY our best DE going into the season.
they've extended contracts to players. some have been the wrong players - like Rhodes. Cotchery has an extension, moore, Ellis got his when Tanny was the cap guru, etc. What people don't seem to grasp is that with the uncertainty of the future of the NFL teams don't want to do much in terms of new contracts. And Ellis, as much as I love the guy, I saw this coming. He's going to be 33 next year. What do you want the Jets to do? Extend him until he's 40? And then once he's not playing up to our standards we, the Jet nation, kick him to the curb? Doesn't work that way. I trust this front office considering they've given us 2 possible HOFers in Mangold and Revis, a bunch of pro bowlers, and trades that are truly unfair to the other teams that have gotten some awesome talent on this team. "But they're low character guys" - well, once they get arrested as a Jet, and get suspended, I'll grab a pitchfork. Tank Johnson has been a choir boy since he left Dallas. I can see that happening for the new guys on this team as well, considering the atmosphere in the locker room. If they cut him before the season, then I'll be right with everyone else, scratching my head about this situation. If we were Steeler fans, we would have no problem with this. They do this all the time. Its where Alan Faneca came from.. you know, they guy they cut and then went on to win a Super Bowl without him, with a questionable replacement at LG. Fear of the unknown is the problem with the thought process going on here. I think Tanny and crew have a plan - I'll see them to it. The FO has learned a lot from 07.
Thanks for explaining why on passing plays SE is on vacation. Do U really believe what U posted? Cmon once you know it is a pass play you mean you are saying SE should not be a P/rusher? If that is the case & since passing plays are 30/40 % of the plays in the game that means SE salary should be cut by the amount of pass plays in that game if his job as you contend is NOT to rush the passer
This is pretty much the case I believe. Generally speaking I think most football educated people acknowledge on the pro level that you can only really expect even the best corner to provide blanket coverage against most pro recievers for a few seconds, eventually a reciever will break loose. As much as most of the secondary is ripped for the performance against Manning it's worth noting that Manning was 3/5 for 45 yards against Revis in that game, assuming memory serves me correctly here. That's a 60% completion ratio and 15 yards per catch average against arguably the best cover corner in the NFL last year. I may be wrong on the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read last week (I tried to find the site but didn't due to shortage of time so take it with a grain of salt until I can back it up). But, assuming my stats are correct, it just serves to reinforce that if you can't rush the QB it doesn't matter how good your Corners are. The question at this point, is if the addition of physical corners who will play bump and run, and the additional second or two they'll buy for the rush is enough to get pressure on the elite QB's in the league. It's worth noting Rex's blitz happy corner coverage scheme's have only beaten Manning once since 2005, that was this past year when Manning was pulled early in the second half. don't get me wrong, we'll have a great secondary this year, the question remains though, is an aging Taylor enough to improve our pass rush? Cause if we don't get pressure on the games better QB's they will still disect us in the end.
Yep that is my argument exactly. As I said I hope JT still has gas in the tank & really truly gives us his all. Even if he does we still are lacking both up front people & those that support them who can get at the least hurry the opposing QB. As I said the last time we had a PR worth anything was way back in the NY Stock Exchange era & that is really a black eye on the FOs since that time whom ever they were. If you eliminate SE, Jenks & whomever will play the other side as "good" PRs that leaves you just the LBers & the DBF guys. Of those Thomas is a near zero, Scott I do not think blitzed much last season so his blitzing ability is a ? Same goes for Harris. Now that leaves our 4 game suspended LBer so if you want to give him a pass because he missed the 1st 4 games then go ahead. I saw no one in the DBF who had PR skills. Revis they will not blitz because we do not have a PR to protect the defender that replaces Revis while he is blitzing. AC who knows but doubtful. Leonard & whomever is the new Rhodes are also doubtful at best so it all = up to another sorry year of counting Mississippi's until the opposing QB throws the rock. Really a distressing situation when you put some thought into it
either way a starting quality DE needs to be acquired before next season. wouldve been nice this offseason, but lets REALLY see what DeVito and Ropati Pitouitua are made of
I like DeVito work ethics buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut he has not shown up to now that he is a PR other teams will fear. Pito is a total unknown IMHO. To go into a supposed run at the SB & not have a fearsome PR to me means we again will come up way, way short of the final goal of holding the VLT up high
Here is who you should be teaching hanks for explaining why on passing plays SE is on vacation. Do U really believe what U posted? Cmon once you know it is a pass play you mean you are saying SE should not be a P/rusher? If that is the case & since passing plays are 30/40 % of the plays in the game that means SE salary should be cut by the amount of pass plays in that game if his job as you contend is NOT to rush the passer Quote: Originally Posted by CatoTheElder View Post DE is not supposed to rush the passer in a 3-4. Ever.
Ellis's primary job is to take on blockers...to allow the OLBs to rush the passer...in a base 3-4 scheme. It's really not rocket science, Champ.
wow wait i havent read through the thread. people here think its a 3-4's main duty to rush the pass? ok no wonder I didnt read up to this point. now I know how much time I saved......
im talking about this year playing across from ellis. DeVito is no pass rusher, hes a run stopper. pass rush is supposed to come from LB'ers in a 3-4. the fact that Ellis, like Jenkins can create a pass rush in a two gap system is us being lucky to have such good players. not their job. solution-find younger, better LB'ers.
So lets compare the sack numbers with what many consider one of the best 3-4 DE's in the league: Richard Seymour 2009 4 2008 8 2007 1.5 2006 4 Shaun Ellis 2009 6.5 2008 8 2007 5 2006 5 Going on sacks alone, Ellis has clearly outdone Seymour over the past 4 seasons. Why can't you understand the role of a 3-4 DE?
