Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, A. Haynesworth, Vince Wilfork These 4 selected to last years pro bowl lets look at their stats K. Williams Total Solo Ast Sck 38 30 8 3.0 P. Williams 62 43 19 2.0 A. Haynesworth 40 32 8 6.0 V. Wilfork 48 36 12 2.0 Now Robertson 57 36 21 4.0 and our new guy Jenkins 38 30 8 2.5 Robertson had 2nd most tackles and 2nd most sacks thats not bad imo
Far from it- he was actually fairly dominant when he had the right personnel around him, including the Turd. What kind of stats do you have to back up your statement?
how many tackles for losses did robertson have? for those of you who know football will know that the vikings pass defense has sucked and teams would barely run against them, meanwhile we were down a lot of games late in the 4th quarter last season so teams would run against us, stocking up robertsons #'s which still sucked, just google his career stats for yourself and then tell me when was he ever above average
I have made this argument before, however, I am still waiting for someone to show me where I am wrong. When Mangini showed up the only player worth keeping the 4-3 for was Vilma. Abraham was on his way out the door, Ellis could play in either system, Robertson was coming off a sub-par (injury) year with only one big year to his credit. The LBs outside of Vilma (Barton and Hobson) were not player you would keep a system for either. I know someone will bring up that in 2004 the Jets had a Top 5 defense or something like that. Well, that was two years removed when Mangini showed up with 2 of the 4 DL from 2004 gone, Robertson reverting to average, and general regression of the secondary. So, my point is that Mangini looks around and sees that he has one 4-3 star (Vilma), one versatile DL (Ellis) and a bunch of average guys on his defense. He is a young coach with a comfort zone firmly entrenched in the 3-4. It's not as if he walked in a great defense like Tomlin did in Pittsburgh. Why wouldn't he make the switch? If anything, blame the FO for hiring a guy the knew would and supported in changing the system.
Doc, anyone who watched more than a handful of Jet games the last two seasons could tell that Robertson was over-matched as a 3-4 NT. As always, you can't tell the full story for statistics. I maybe wrong (football guys help me out here), but your really don't want your 3-4 NT getting a ton of tackles unless he is beating double teams...which I can assure you Robertson was not. A 3-4 NT getting tackles either says he was getting pushed downfield (which Robertson was) or he's abandoning his two-gap responsibilities to make plays. In the 3-4 the LBs are the ones who should be making most of the tackles (which is why ILB like Willis and Harris were the top tacklers in the NFL last season).
I know stats dont tell the whole story I think he is going to be a great player for Denver he did the job of a NT I think rather well for someone that never played the position and didnt have the size needed for it. I think Jenkins will do a better job for us then him I just dont think people gave him credit for what he did do.
I hate it when people complain about switching to the 3-4 or talk about switching back to 4-3 it's never going to happen. Mangini knows 3-4 thats his specialty in the defensive aspect... do you think we would have a good D at all if he was teaching a style he was not totally accustomed to? To me its like going to a car mechanic and asking him to fix your boat.
But isnt he the Head Coach now not the Defensive Coordinator? Shouldnt he leave it up to the DC. (Playing devils advocate here) I still wish we had fired Sutton and hired anyone that had a decent rep and was more knowledgeable of 3-4 system.
The way I see it with Mangini is he is very defensively minded... I think he's got his hand involved in how the D runs and acts more like a D coordinator than Sutton. Every year Mangini takes over the D it gets better... hopefully Sutton just holds the clip board and relays info from mangini's mouth.
Well I will post a "good luck and thanks" to Drob. maybe he wasn't our best player, and he honestly wasn't as good as we hoped he would be. But he played his heart out for us. Anyone who can play NT at his weight in the 3-4 is a tough man.
D'Rob was a a product of Combine madness. He set tonuges wagging several years ago with his workout at the combine. Though he showed little at Kentucky(not exactly a football mecca)the jet front office moved up to take him 4th overall. Add that he was strictly a 4-3 DT who never fit in with Mangini's 3-4 flex defense and you get what only can be said is some table crumbs.
we also had a nasty dcoordinator in donnie henderson....i miss him alot:sad: you could thank him for how "dominate" our defense was...and the players lol
wow your the first person Ive talked to that liked Donnie Henderson I couldnt stand him as a DC there have been a lot actually Ted Cottrell ugh and who was it back in the Kotite era I cant remember I think I've blocked all memories of then
According to Cimini, best case scenario is a 2nd round pick. Surprised no one posted it from his blog.
Sutton is Mangini's whipping boy to save his job if it comes to it I see sutton being fired and mangini getting one last chance (Im hoping we have a good year and still fire his ass)
Just read this. Yahoo Sports Robertson would have failed physical by Denver docs When it comes to winning in the NFL, the case of Dewayne Robertson proves physical examinations can be evaluated any way a team chooses. Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said at his pre-draft press conference today that Robertson's knee did not pass the physical taken by team doctors. The Broncos acquired the defensive tackle from the New York Jets, anyway, in exchange for essentially nothing according to the Denver Post. "He would have flunked our test over the last four years," Shanahan said. "But he's played over the last four years. The last two years, he's played 77 percent of the time. So we were willing to take the risk." If Robertson plays in less than 65 percent of the defensive plays in 2008, the Broncos will not have to give the Jets a 2009 draft pick. The Jets will get a 2009 conditional draft pick in the unlikely event Robertson is on the field for more than 65 percent of the plays. The Broncos use an eight-man rotation up front so it's unlikely any defensive lineman, much less Robertson, will play two-thirds of the snaps. Elvis Dumervil was the only Broncos lineman who played 70 percent of the defensive snaps last season, but that was partly because of injuries to two other defensive ends, Ebenezer Ekuban and Jarvis Moss Source: Denver Post
