Good luck finding anyone in the league that will agree with this statement. First year HC and they had a longer winning streak then The Colts,Pats, Steelers If Miami has ano talent and no coaching how in the world did they end the season with six wins??? Jet fans logic, no matter what the fins do they suck we didn't win with talent and we didn't win with coaching. You people don't deserve a football forum.
What the hell are you talking about..again. Where did I say the pats would dominate this year..where. Point it out, because quite honestly...Im getting tired of correcting you putting words in my mouth. You are the one that said the Dolphins could dominate...Im the one that said nothing about the Pats dominating. The pats have made me shutter.... is what I wrote (I was quoting from you using the word shutter)..the word made is a past tense usage....if I said the word "make" that would be present...if I used the word "will" that would have been future. I said that the dolphin roster and having Saban in his second year places the guppies on paper...(when using the phrase "on paper" that means not playing the games...but what should happen...a future outlook) AHEAD OF THE JETS. So for the final time...read the entire post..then...reread it again...digest it...and take your "homer" suggestions and kindly stick them.
People doubted him, but they also knew he was an extremely disciplined, intelligent, and well schooled candidate for the job. From his years in the NFL under BB, to his coaching days at MSU / LSU Saban did nothing but win football games. He's NEVER experienced a losing season as a HC at any level. Knowing those facts, some had doubts, but quite a few knew he would surprise some of the naysayers.... I think his background speaks volumes of what kind of HC he was destined to become one given a chance at this level. BB certainly knew what to expect, and he even stated that he's wished Saban would have taken a HC job in a different division.... I had a great feeling about Saban the minute I read his book{Nick Saban - "How Good Do You Want To Be"}. Saban is much more than just your everyday ordinary HC, he's a mastermind within his proffession, and if you would only read the book, I think you'd agree that Saban's calling to the NFL was only a matter of time and preference..... I wouldn't make that statement. Mangini has never been a head coach, at any level. Sabans' probably been coaching since Manigini was born. There's no question that Saban is highly superior in those regards. Mangini has zero HC experience, and no experience when it comes to building a team from nothing. That's why I wouldn't compare the Jets situation today, with the Phinz of 2005. It doesn't make any sense....
Not really, i thought you did a good job last year. Ask anyone here about my feelings regarding Daunte, i have been bashing this overrated player for YEARS. it has NOTHING to do w/ him going to Maimi. There was an article about the Jets getting Daunte and I went nuts- I did not want him and I was rooting for him to go to Miami. Brady is BY FAR the best QB in the game. BB deserves alot of credit but 1 PO appearnce in 5 years in Cle then in yr 1 w/ NE he went 5-11, in yr 2 he was 0-2 and rumors were he would get fired then Brady steps in and the rest is history. i'm not trying to take credit away from BB but maybe Brady deserves just a td more credit than you are willing to give him. I think dan is the best QB I have ever seen but Brady is certainly climbing the charts and at this rate he could catch him. So you are saying NE would have won w/o Brady? ok.:rofl: I am not necessarily talking directly to you but about Phin fan posts I see in general. Every single move you guys make the fans go gaga like you just acquired a HOFer. fans at finheaven were actually writing about how great Harrington could be outside of detroit:rofl: A year ago they told me how great Gus was and now Gus has been thrown to the curb. it never stops. Clearly you don't know much about the game. Tom Brady wasn't a Pro Bowler in 2003, he won the SB though. Daunte has been a 3 time PBer and hasn't done a thing in a terrible div and conf. Guys make it on reputation. The dolphin D was full of PBers yet they could never play like a big time D in big games. That much maligned D kept Minny in the game in weelk 17 at wash when duante could only put up 10 pts in the competitive portion of the game. That D also kept Minny in the Philly game but daunte couldn't lead them to points until it was too late. You daunte lovers love to pin it on the D when daunte takes as much, if not more, blame than the D.
Well feelthepain obviously knows very little about football. I would disagree with your first statement. I would say you have the best definesive lineman in the league (seymour), but not as a unit. Still one of the better though. And I have no idea what HFA means.
Holy crap... did we all hop in a time machine and go back to 2001?! A system QB... pure comedy..... :rofl: Maybe the system of kicking ass.... :lol:
So jetfan would rather have Chad, Ramsey or Clemens than Daunte? Heh. OK. We believe you too. And JAWAYNE, it's SHUDDER, not matter what tense you use it in. A SHUTTER goes over a window.
oops..sorry doctor love (you thought of that name when....sixth grade...oh...not matter how you put it....I understand your pain.
The Jets should do much better than 5 wins. Keep in mind that towards the end of the season, we were playing preseason football with a lot of our 3rd stringers starting. We've got our starters back along with a much more solid offensive live which should be able to get us at least 8 wins.
Yes, but people had the same doubts with Saban, as they are saying about Mangini. Neither had any HC experience in the NFL. No one knew if he would translate into a good NFL coach. No matter what he did in college, there have been MANY college coaches that flopped when they tried to make the transition to the NFL. The Phins roster had just as many holes in it that the Jets have today, and Saban had NO experience building an NFL team. Highly regarded rookie head, roster in transition, rebuilding year, no one expected them to have a winning season...That does not sound familiar to you? I just find it humorous and rather tacky that Phins fans come here and use the same arguements against the Jets, that people used against the Phins. Then pretend that there was NO DOUBT about Saban coaching in the NFL and everyone knew he would have a winning season...come on. That is not true. Mangini coached an american football team down in Australia for about 3 years I think. Some of the Aussie people on here can elaborate. I believe he even won a championship. I know it is not in the states, but he was still a HC.
I was just wondering what you think about all of saban's ''character'' players he has on the dolphins..traylor..vick..ricky williams..he doesn't seem to care... what do you think doc???
Look I never said Saban was or is a bad coach. I also never said he did not have NFL, but he was never an NFL head coach. How many great, winning head coaches flopped in the NFL? How many great, coordinators couldn't make the transition to HC? Many, special college or not, it does not always translate well to the NFL. It is easy to look back now and say, "He is something special" or that no one doubted he could make the transition. That is a load of bunky. No matter how good he was, no one knew what he would do as first year head coach. Especially coming onto a team like the Phins in such disarray and rebuilding. No one knew if he could build an NFL roster, or be able to translate his scheme into the NFL. And BB and Parcells, and many other coaches had nothing but praise for mangini, as a defensive prodigy. Ex players, pro-bowl players like Law, praised him. But no matter what he has done, or how smart he is, I have no idea if he will be a great HC. That was my only point. And no one knew how Saban would translate into an NFL HC either. I have no idea, why me pointing out that people had similar doubts about Miami's head coach when he came into the league, and there were similar doubts about a winning season, is drawing such venom from Phins fans. It is not like I said Saban sucks and has done a horrible job.
Look, it's cut and dry with you. At this moment in time you can think whatever you like. However there are many in the business of proffesional football that think Miami, Saban and Daunte are all a terricfic fit. There is a lot of buz going around about the near future of the fins. Is there a chance the Fins could have a bad season or fail unders Saban, sure, as there is with any team. There are no guarantees in life, but Miami is doing the right things adding the right pieces with an owner who wants to win. You don't have to like it, agree with it or accept it. But the fins will be an elite team very soon. Till then you can just be happy that they aren't there yet, because you can sleep at night....for now. I went through this same crap with Bill fans last year telling me, "Miami would be lucky to win 6 games and it would be several years before the Fins could compete". Well guess what, we went from 4-12 to 9-7 in Sabans first season with a lot of the Wanny crap that is no longer in Miam. If Saban can win 9 games with players that don't fit, he can win 11 or 12 with players that do fit. You have your opinions and I have mine, but I have experts that aren't division rival fans on my side saying the same things I'm telling you and all you have is you and some bias Jet fans opinions. In the end, the Jets will be watching the fins win and I'll be reading your excuses.