Does a HC that loses a team ever get them back?

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  1. ThunderbirdJet

    ThunderbirdJet New Member

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    Didn't Rex say he lost the locker room, or words to that extent? At the very least, he was clueless as to what was going on in that locker room. Frankly, I think his glass is half full mentality leaves him one step outside of reality. Just doesn't have a pulse of the team. Have Reid or Coughlin ever admitted to having lost the team? That's because they stayed their course, while Rex is more like seaweed as opposed to a rock against the waves. How many times has Ryan backed Sanchez only to show interest in Manning and then getting Tebow? Weather vane coaching.

    Look no further than the handling of the RT situation. Rex was clueless there too. Let's all go watch Ryan's naked wife internet clips again. I think he lost alot more resapect from players in that whole embarrassment than anyone wants to admit.

    I'm resigned to waiting for a rebuild after getting rid of Ryan and Tanny. Tebow? Please....
     
  2. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    ^He said he lost the "pulse" of the team, an admission that would be microanalyzed to this very day. He's too honest sometimes. No other coach would say something like that to the press.
     
  3. SecondHandJets

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    Rex said he lost the pulse of the team. A big reason for that is that Rex did not run the offense AT ALL last year. Literally. He didn't even know Holmes was benched in Miami. Rex gives complete autonomy to his OCs, and a bulk of the "lost pulse" comment stems from the fact that he literally had no idea what was going on in the offensive meetings.

    The reason they brought Sparano in is because, aside from his offensive mentality, whatever that may be, he's a hard nosed old school Parcells guy who won't let the offensive players get out of hand.

    Whether or not you agree with Rex's decision to stay out of the offense, you have to give him and Tanny credit for identifying the problem and working to remedy it this offseason.

    Different management styles does not mean he's out of touch with reality. Rex isn't all smoke up people's asses... he dressed down Coples (pardon the pun) on Monday after a very good game. Just because Rex doesn't go around acting like it's the end of the world, doesn't mean that his way is not working. His record as a HC is 32-22. Not too shabby.

    Unless you have Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees or Tom Brady, getting PM is an upgrade. You'd have to be foolish to think that most GMs didn't at least kick around the tires and see if they can make the deal worth. The Jets never acted as desperate as Miami for a QB. The reason they got Tebow is because Tebow actually suits what we plan on doing on offense.

    If Tebow wasn't such a polarizing figure, everyone would love that move. Lets rename him Joe Schmoe. Schmoe was drafted in the 1st round 2 years ago, went to the playoffs and beat the Steelers. Then his team swtiched FO people and they traded Schmoe to the Jets for a 4th round pick.

    The Jets had a guy like Schmoe in Brad Smith who was a 4th round pick but he left as a FA and went to Buffalo. While here, Smith was a fan favorite and ran the WC offense which will now be run by Schmoe.

    Where's the downside to this?

    RT was obviously an issue this offseason. The jets reached out to Vernon Carey (who decided to coach HS), Marcus McNeil (retired instead) and Jeff Otah (failed physical). That's 3 attempts at well known players (not counting all the guys that the brought in to audition or had on the roster with the hope of developing). Clearly they didn't just sit on their hands and keep their fingers crossed.

    Unfortunately, in the NFL no one gives away starting OLs. You either have to draft one, buy one or make one. Looks like for all their follie, they made one out in Howard and now they brought in Smith as insurance.

    BTW, blaming Rex for the RT situation is foolish. He has a very limited role in personnel decisions.

    You're just a fickle fan. I bet this time last year after 2 deep playoff runs you were walking around with your chest out in your Sanchez jersey talking about how you were thinking of buying plane tickets to Indy. One "collapse" and now you want to clear house. Imagine if the Steelers fired Cowher every time he finished .500 or less... or the Giants Caughlin, or the Eagles Reid. Long term winning teams don't do any of the reactionary bullshit that teams like the Dolphins, Cowboys and Redskins do.
     
  4. Barcs

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    Meh, Rex took the blame, but I think that was just him doing the right thing and covering his guys. I think Schotty & Hunter were much more to blame for the chemistry issues last year. Yeah a HC should know all about his whole team, but you can't pretend the offensive coordinator who worked with them every day isn't the one in charge of keeping the offense together and on the same page. This is why Sparano is a big upgrade. He holds people accountable and isn't afraid to bitch a guy out when he fucks up. I think Schotty might have been too easy going.
     
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  5. mr nyjet

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    if you watch espn, i hope you're not suggesting mangenius and/or the herminator.

    on the other hand, we could use a real gm with previous experience.
     
  6. Br4d

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    Rex is what he is. He's a player-friendly blowhard who is also a really ingenious defensive coach. He motivates by propping people up and patting them on the back and telling everybody how good they are. He disciplines people for personal faults by sharing their sin essentially. He's not a guy who is going to throw somebody under the bus because they got busted for DWI or another personal offense.

    Whether he can maintain order long-term in the clubhouse using these methods is doubtful. Player's coaches can go on great runs (Dick Vermeil is the poster boy here) and they can win it all but they can't really hold the attention of their players for a long period of time because they despise the culture of professional fear that is required to do that.

    I look at what Rex has done with Coples this camp and I think Coples is going to be a really great player. If he wasn't then Rex would be doing everything he could to prop him up. Rex knows that no matter what he says Coples is probably going to be great and so instead he is telling the guy what he needs to hear for a change.
     
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    Because Rex is still transitioning from DC to HC, its a hard assessment to make. I think this season, he's more in sync with his team than last year as he hasn't delegated half the team to someone else to run as they see fit. I do think that his window is starting to close as more often than not, what Rex says is greeted more with "ok" than "wow, whatta guy". The honeymoon with the media is most certainly over and you can see the beginnings of that with Tannenbaum as well. Just makes 2012 that much more important in the big picture.
     
  8. displacedfan

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    Rex will never blame his players for the loss. So I believe he did lose pulse of the lockerroom meaning he tried to let the players sort it, but I don't believe he lost the locker room meaning every stopped respecting him. I think he was trying to take the blame for the season and the 3 game losing steak, like he always does. Remember when we win, Rex is outcoached but his players came through with a win. When we lose, the players played real well and it was his fault for not preparing them or getting outcoached. It's the way it is with Rex.
     
  9. ThunderbirdJet

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    Ryan is the HC. Are you telling me he has no say in what players he has to work with on the O line? That is a foolish notion. He is still the HC. It's his team, BOTH the offense and defense.

    Fickle? No

    The worm really turned for me with the whole foot fetish/porno clips episode. Lost respect for the guy. He embarrassed himself, the team, the franchise and even (at least for me) the fans. I never was a Sanchez fan, in fact I whined loudly about the pick. I eventually admitted I was wrong about Sanchez, at least partially, but never was in love with him as an NFL QB.

    I'll lump Tanny in there too. Our drafts have been lousy.

    So, you admit finding good O linemen is best done in the draft. I agree. Drafting Mangold and Brick improved this team immensley. These knuckleheads are too self absorbed to take a lesson from the past.
     

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