Simple question... Would you trade five 2-4 round pick from 2012-2014 to have someone like Flacco on the Jets roster? I know I would.
I'm not advocating waiting. My point is that since picking the right guy is a gamble, I would trade to get more picks to have extra shots at the jackpot. If Mariotta or Winston are sitting there and there is not trade offer -- take a QB! But I'd rather take four shots, for example in 4th/2015, 1st/2016, 3rd/2016, 1st/2017, then only one shot now. ***edit: I HATE fucking auto-correct.
Great discussions! I guess time will tell. My take is this...because Mariotta is not considered an Andrew Luck type prospect IF you get that team that wants to "play" like the Eagles per chance. You have got to do it. You have to take the chance that makes the whole team better. Ego is a big thing and after that Miami game I'm willing to bet Chan Gailey thinks he can make something out of Geno Smith...if that's the case then it just adds more information to be considered. I don't know...should be an interesting draft.
bolded is the key. If our FO truly believes that Mariotta (or Winston, or Joe Schmo) is the read deal, don't take the trade, take the QB. If however there is some doubt -- take the picks.
So are you agreeing with me now? I thought you were of the mindset that we should take QB's after Rd 1. But yes, I would do that. Flacco while not being an elite QB by any means, is still a good QB and much better than we've had recently. If someone offers us 3 first round picks for our 6th pick then of course I'd take the trade. You'd be stupid not to, but the chances of that are highly unlikely. If Mariota is sitting there at 6 and we don't have a crazy trade offer, like the one I mentioned, then I take Mariota and never look back.
The question was: if offered King's bounty, would you give up Mariotta to Eagles? My answer was enthusiastic YES! I'd do it for 1+1+2+4
I might take that deal. I honestly don't know. Chances are those will all be late round picks if they're from the Eagles, late-teens at the earliest. I guess it would give us another pick next year so we could maybe trade up and get the top QB in next year's class. My big thing is that I'm 100% on the Mariota train, I think he's going to be the real deal. I would be hesitant to let him go for 2 late first rounders, but that's just me. I personally don't think we'll get a deal like that, but it definitely makes for good conversation fodder right now.
If the QB is there at 6 you take him. If not, Dak Prescott '16. I'm still pissed that we passed on Bridgewater last year.
Here's the thing. I don't think we're finding our Peyton Manning by using a bunch of 3rd and 4th and 5th and 6th and 7th round draft picks on developmental QBs--especially in this draft and next years draft (2014 was a totally different story). Those are wasted picks. You can find incredible RBs and WRs and OLineman and LBs and CBs in rounds 3-7. You're not finding a franchise QB in those rounds--the success rate is abysmal. Don't look at Russell Wilson or Tom Brady or Tony Romo as the norm--they are outliers, anomalies that are so few and far between they become red herrings towards the discussion. Do some first and second rounders fail? Absolutely. Does nearly EVERY 3rd through 7th rounder fail? Yup. _
Wait a minute--Bryce Petty can take snaps from center and take pro drops? I think you're mistaken. It's a skill you need to learn by the time you are 20. If you are 21--what's the phrase--you can't teach an old dog new tricks? No 21 year old kid is going to learn how to take snaps and drop back like an NFL QB. They just aren't. Better to go with the inferior talented player that has that ONE crucial skill. _
Cook also has the strongest arm out of any QB on that list - you watch that Bowl game against Baylor? When a QB is down - you want to see a QB thrive in a situation and bring his team back, Cook stepped his game up. Couldn't say the same about your boy Mariota ... Plus those QBs I mentioned, they run the pro-offense so the foundation on being an NFL QB is already there - now you fix up their footwork and watch them become decent QBs Hackenberg is on a very bad team right now with even worse coaching, name what talented players Hackenberg has around him? He's carried Penn State to a Bowl game this year - and then he straight up dominated in that bowl game. Pro Prospects at the QB position IMO 1. Winston 2. Hackenberg 3. Cook 4. Martioa BTW who is Bottles? You mean that crap that is Bortles?
If Bryce Petty can do it--then much more athletic, graceful, mobile Marcus Mariota can do it. If you don't believe that, then you're just being intentionally obtuse. Serious question, do you honestly think that Mariota WON'T be able, within the next 18 months, learn how to take snaps from center and perform 3, 5 and 7 step drops? And that over the ensuing 2-3 years he won't become highly proficient at it? And that by year 4 or 5 in the league he won't be running a pro-style offense like he was raised on it? Is that what YOU honestly believe--I not asking you as if you are a Jet coach being asked to scout him. Do you honestly believe that those are such difficult skills to master that a guy as athletic and diligent as Mariota CAN'T do it? _
Are you joking? Cook was AWFUL in that Bowl game, notwithstanding the late heroics--he was missing guys left and right and should have been picked a couple more times. Petty FAR outplayed him and was so much the better QB. I'd take Bryce Petty right now over Cook. You can keep spouting about how Cook is a better pro prospect but he's just not that good--not now anyway. He's 1/2 the player Mariota is. And Hackenberg is just a big overhyped oaf. _
I need to see it to believe it on game-day, not on some freaking pro-day. "Going through the motions" is one thing, but what happens when you see the blitz come at you? Will Mariota, "go through the motions" then? This is all hypothetical. We don't know - hell like I mentioned before, if he's throw in the fire too early - your bold it won't matter at all. Sanchez was regarded as one of the more intelligent people in the film room, but when it came to Sundays - that light wouldn't come on. Not saying Mariota is Sanchez, but you get the picture.
