yup. Because it was/is a one dimensional gimmick offense. Not mariota's fault there-----Meyer figured out that offense and Oregon has no plan B. This is why I am not high on Mariota-he ran a non-pro gimmick offense. Kind of like Geno Smifffff
I get that but it still would be hell on earth to pass on a good QB prospect (and the perception is that Mariota is good at this point) and wind up with 2 secondary pieces in the puzzle and both on the defensive side of the ball. That same trade with a WR and an OT in the 19 and 20 might fly in the public perception, however if either of them busted it wouldn't unless Mariota busted as well. In fact, if Mariota didn't bust those players would have to be near All-Pros to make the fans see the deal as even.
This is some fantasyland bs. If Mariota is that hot of a commodity that the Eagles will move up from 20 to 6 and mortgage their future to get him then there's no way he makes it past pick number 1. And if he isn't going to make it past pick number 1 then the Eagles couldn't mortgage enough to move to #1 even if they were retarded enough to want to. If this is genuinely Philly's active plan entering the draft, and it probably isn't, then it's just Chip Kelly trying to signal his intentions to the Jets GM and the GMs of surrounding picks that they can trade way down for a "fair" offer. Which is effectively saying nothing because a shot at a franchise QB isn't worth sliding back from 6 to 20 to gain two second round picks or something. If they're willing to offer a lot more than that then there's no chance he lasts to the 6th pick so This is a complete exercise in futility.
Just because Chip Kelly would give up enough to get Mariota at # 6 does not make him A better than Winston or B a franchise QB in the eyes of all 32 teams The biggest obstacle to us making a deal with the Eagles at # 6 is that the Redskins are in no man's land. They will either trade down, reach for a player, pass up a need for the BAP, or take Mariota for themselves. In my projected draft, Atlanta moves up from # 8 to move the Redskins out of our way. My belief is that no one besides Chip Kelly values Mariota that high (whether Mariota has more value in Kelly's offense or Kelly is delusional is not our concern).
If you were GM would you be sure enough about the prospect that you would pour gasoline all over the franchise and count on those two players to clean it off instead of accidentally igniting it? If it is the widely held perception at draft time that Mariota is a very good QB prospect and he's available on the Jets pick they're either going to have to come away with him or with a very good deal instead of that. Remember that doing the right thing in terms of value won't mean anything if your move doesn't succeed. The franchise will still be in flames at that point and there won't be an easy way to put them out if Mariota turns into a star QB. People still talk about passing on Dan Marino to take Ken O'Brien and it's a generation and a half later. And Ken O'Brien was a pretty good QB for the Jets.
if im the Eagles im trying to trade in the top 4... bc the skins are in the division so that's out the picture. and the jets have been in need of a franchise qb for 40+ years and there's NO WAY WE TRADE MARIOTA FOR ANYTHING. sorry chip, he'd be a sexy Eagles pick but we here need this more than anything. every year we cry about poor qb play and yet you guys talking about trading a shot at a potential great one away
Yup, by picking up an 3rd round ILB and a headcase CB. I can't say I've agreed with any of your player evaluations to date. Not saying you're wrong, because it's a crap shoot, but I would be grossly disturbed if that was our front office's big plan.
First of all it doesn't matter whether he's better than Winston or not (in your mind only remember because that's what you said is all that matters is Chip Kelly's mind wrt Mariota) because you take Winston if that's the case, you don't trade back. There's a reason #20 never moves to the top of the draft for a QB. It's because they can't make an attractive enough offer without going completely insane, and this is no exception. If Chip Kelly covets Mariota enough to risk his career to get him then why the fuck would you even think about passing up those kind of chances yourself? There's no downside if you're wrong it's just one busted pick no extraneous costs. And if he succeeds that profit isn't marred by the lost picks Chip Kelly would have to endure to reap those benefits So you get so much more value out of the player than Chip Kelly could ever dream to. Also, what does Chip Kelly know anyway? I mean, seriously?
Looking at the trade value chart we come out ahead. Before the senior bowl and the combine it is difficult to make projections with any accuracy. In April I might have the same trade in mind but with different selections at those picks.
Look at some big trades in NFL history - RGIII, Ricky Williams, Herschel Walker, Eli Manning They happened because one team placed a much higher value on the player than another team. No one knows how well these guys will be until they actually play in the NFL. For a while it seemed that the Chargers got the best of the Giants when Phillip Rivers panned out but Eli Manning and the Giants ended up with two SB rings.
That call with an insane kings random will never in a million years come from Marcus Mariota who has managed to loosen his stranglehold on the top of the draft board to end his college career. RGIII happened because he was considered a once every few years prospect moving 4 slots not a twice a year prospect moving 16 spots. Absurd thought. If the impossible phone call comes draft day Maccagnan will have to decide whether to take the thirty pieces of silver or not to forego his stated holy mission to take any potential franchise QB he can at any opportunity. But the call will never come so that's the last I say about this dumb story until then.
In that case I think you have not found the thread you are looking for. In this thread the phone has already rung and it is up to us if we take a king's ransom for the QB.
Alright Guess I'll see if I can contribute anything to the Scarlett Johansson says she needs to start having babies fathered by me and only me as soon as possible, thread. When both of those pan out we can just get a moderator to merge the topics.
LOL So now the trade value chart is more important than results on the field and winning. The failed logic continues. Dude, you are clueless to the extreme,
The trade value chart approximates the value of players in lower rounds relative to higher rounds. If three starting players at other positions equals the player available at # 6 and we get four starting players we should win more games on the field. The theory and logic are both sound. Keep increasing the value of picks and players on one side and eventually you will find a fair value where both parties will agree to a trade.
If the Eagles move up to take him it will be with the Skins or Raiders... If he even falls that far...
