I don't think Clemens' passes have as much to do with arm strength as they do with technique. If you really look at his passes, his motion is almost a 3/4s throwing motion, and it arcs downward sharply at the point of release. He flings it more than he throws it, so he's not really following through the pass. But this is from really watching close-angle shots of mostly short-to-intermediate passes, I have yet to be able to watch a good close-up of the guy throwing a deep one to see of he follows through on those.
Thats why I said...'Successful' IMO O'Brien was a MUCH Better QB than Chad. (Namath, OB, then Chad) and in 1998, Vinny had Keyshawn,Chrebet, Richie Anderson, and Dedric Ward...Only in 2002, did Chad have a cast that good.
The thing is the signs that Chad was done came long before the Redskins game. Other players respect Chad playing injured but they also know when a player is done. The players said all the right things in front of the camera but they knew he was done a long time ago. He was spared because of the Mangini insistence of putting quality players in the locker room. On another club the players would have thrown Chad to the wolves a long time ago. At this particular point in time bad is better than mediocre. The more good high draft picks the better. After the Giants game is was obvious that Chad no longer gave the team the best shot to win and if Mediocrity was the goal that that even reinforces the argument to pull Chad. What would mediocre get us? Mid level draft picks and another season of watching what we have to suffer through this year?
In the greater scheme of things it has to do with the original post about Qb's having 2 years to develop and if the NYJ's fanbase will give him time to have his growing pains on the field without trying to run him out of time. I think Mangini waiting to put Clemens in now that we play the meat of our schedule is not a good thing. Most people do not realize that this thing will take years to turn around!
I don't think it matters who we play, as long as he plays....One year to sit, one year to get wet, should give him enough to take the steps he needs...in fact, given that he looked dominating against scrubs in the preseason, going live against the better competition will produce an accurate picture of where he is, and what his potential is.
joe montana didn't have a cannon for an arm.look how he worked out to be one of the best q.b.s. in the history of the n.f.l.
I agree with this 100%. If he plays well against Pitt, Dallas, Cle and Ne then I will be happy knowing we don't need to use a pick on a Qb.
He wasn't playing at a high level in those 2 years, PB's are meaningless. No one should ever make a PB throwing just 5 more INTs than TDs. Who was a QB in the NFC in those years besides Aikman and Young? He was an erratic young QB in those days, he was not a topflight QB yet. Pro Bowls, all-star games are MEANINGLESS. The best players don't always make it, players make it on name recognition. 18 TDs 15 INTs and the tam won 5 games- that's a PB level? You keep saying "struggling" when I never mentioned struggling. You had originally said those players performed at a very high level when clearly none of them did. They were getting better but not playing at a very high level. I'm still confusd where you get the struggling from. again I never mentioned struggling and the man clearly was not playing at a high level his first 2 years. 40 TD and 42 TDs is not playing at a very high level. fpr favre there wasn't competition in the NFC, for namatah it was his name, for Brady they were leading their teams to big time seasons and Big ben has never made a Pro Bowl. O'brien actually did get hurt in 1986 and it changed his career. he hurt his shoulder and was never the same after that. He played through it but was never the same and so O'B only played at a high level for 1 1/2 seasons while Chad did for more than 1 1/2 seasons and Chad w/ lesser offensive talent around him won 2 playoff games including a road playoff game and he won a div title while Kenny got us to 3 WC appearances(the last one w/ 8 wins) and never won a playoff game. As far as Vinny, his '98 season was the best in Jets history and it's not close, #2 is probably Chad '02. Vinny didn't hurt us much in 2000? his 25 INTs didn't hurt?
So many more QB's show greatness and end up not being great than the other way around. Plenty of highly talented QB's who had great talent didn't show it for years and plenty of highly talented QB's were wasted on terrible teams only to be discarded like trash finding themselves sitting on the bench of a very good team and showing that they were in fact great when they got the chance with a good team and a good coaching staff. Physical tools are pretty easy to measure and so is intelligence however translating skill into great consistent performance at the next level of competition isn't easy to measure because it's not just a matter of intelligence and skill it's very often an inate ability to see the big picture and react to it faster than every one else on the field and that is the single thing that seperates the greats from everyone else. Some guys show that ability imediately and some take time to incorporate it if they have the native ability and others who don't have that ability but are very smart will survive and have decent careers those who don't have it and aren't smart will be gone.
