Packers loss, all because TT couldn't stand it that Favre assumed royalty status with Montana, Marino, Brown, E. Smith, Rice and it wasn't his pick. Beyond that, Favre achieved fan favorite status in the whole league because he just tries so hard to win. Sometimes it is so ridiculous it is like #4 shows up with a knife to a gunfight and the fact that he wins way more than his share speak volumes. Thank you Jets. Burn in hell TT and I am going to savor this post-season like no other.
I think that's the fundamental difference between the two of us. You may believe what you wish to believe, but I prefer to believe whatever seems to be the most logical thing to believe. Whether I want to believe it or not. And believing that Ted Thompson is an "evil genius" who, ever since the day he arrived in Green Bay, has been secretly planning to destroy Brett Favre - even to the point of making personnel moves deliberately designed to cause him a career-ending injury - is not only completely illogical, it's nothing short of utterly insane. It sounds like something out of an Austin Powers movie. You Favre folks really need to get a grip on reality, bro. It's this sort of shit that makes all of us Packer fans - and especially you Favreheads - look like a bunch of 5-grade dropout bumpkins.
Here's reality, no one picked the Packers last year to be any good, they finished 13-3, made it to the NFC title game, with virtually no running game 1/2 the year, and with the youngest team in the league. Reality, BF was the QB of that team. Reality, AR has not started a single game and has proven nothing. Reality, there are 2 rookies behind AR, who are not ready to play. Reality, Green Bay went from possibily having the best QB situation in the league ( Favre, Rodgers ), to one of the worst ( Rodgers, 2 kids ). TT wanted Favre out, otherwise he would be in a Packer uniform. If you believe Rodgers is the better QB, then fine, it all makes sense. but if you believe, as most seem to, that Favre is the better player, why is he not on the field?? Thought it was supposed to be about winning.
All GMs would rather win with as many of their own players as possible, then with players from previous regimes. They get more credit that way. As long as Brett was on the team, Thompson wasn't going to get much credit. I do think Packers management handled the situation very poorly.
And that is really the bottom line, it would always be Favre's team as long as he was on the field, now, good or bad, it will be TT's team. TT and MM got long term deals off that 13-3 year. They felt secure to make the move. TT better be right about Rodgers, or his name will be a joke forever.
please tell me why again you're even on this forum? shouldn't you be on some packer site spewing your blind love of Ted Thompson with the other Favre haters? you obviously don't want to realize the truth about the lies the packer organization has injected into the media. if you had any sense wouldn't believe half the crap they've said.
I wonder, how EXACTLY did he hold the origination hostage? Did TT make any "real" moves just because favre was there? He didn't hire the coach favre wanted, he didn't bring in any of the players Favre wanted, and really, he didn't seem to draft the way Favre wanted (to win now, although the draft has been proven to be debatable). So, I still wonder how he held anyone hostage. It appears GB was just going to go ahead with whatever, and if Favre was there then he was there. Meh. Hostage? He always decided before training camp. Thats not exactly "holding them hostage". His popularity held the FANS hostage, not the organization.
Read your own quote! Favre didn't get to pick what players he could play with? He wasn't the coach! You think Tom Brady or Peyton Manning for that matter decide who's gonna be on the team? He put a decent enough team around Favre to get to the NFC Championship game!
Well, as for the latter point, I think both sides handled the situation poorly. But I think Favre handled his end of it far, far worse. I place the majority of the blame on him, because the way he chose to handle the matter turned what could have been a relatively simple process into a nightmare for everyone concerned. But that's been done to death a million times, and I won't bother trying to rehash it point by point. As for your first point, that TT forced Favre out because GMs would rather win with their own players than with players from previous regimes, I've heard that a hundred times in the last month and it doesn't go very far with me. None of it works unless the team actually wins with the new players. If TT really thought Favre would give the team a significantly better chance to win this year than Rodgers would, Favre would still be wearing a Packer jersey. He clearly thinks that even if Rodgers isn't as good as Favre right now, he'll still be successful enough that this will wind up looking like a good decision. If you seriously think TT is deliberately going with a quarterback that he doesn't think can win games, then you have to believe he's either an idiot or a lunatic. And if you're going to make that assertion, you'll have to give us all a convincing argument as to how an idiot or a lunatic managed to get himself named NFL Executive of The Year last year. And please don't say it was because Favre won so many games for the guy; you've got to give the people who voted for that award a little bit of credit for understanding what does and does not constitute a good job by an NFL executive. But if you don't believe TT is an idiot or a looney, then I think you have to believe that he seriously thinks Rodgers gives the team a better chance at succeeding than Favre. And if he believes that, he may be right. Love him or hate him, the man forgets more about football before breakfast every morning than you or I will ever know in our entire lifetimes. He just may possibly know what he's doing.
Well, you're probably right about that. This is one of the ballsiest moves I've ever seen a GM make in any sport. I'll agree that the longterm contracts made it easier for him and M3 to cut Favre loose, but they still wouldn't have done it if they weren't convinced Rodgers is going to be a winner. In the NFL, your job is only as safe as last season's won-lost record, no matter how long your contract is for (unless your name is Matt Millen.)
I'm here to teach you that there is something in between absolute black and absolute white - it's called gray, and it comes in many, many shades. However, unfortunately I don't seem to have gotten very far with that yet.
What it's supposed to be about is winning championships, and Favre will never win another one. I'm absolutely certain of that, and evidently TT and M3 feel largely the same way. The story of the last 10 years of Favre's career is that he's a playoff choker. He's 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games; Eli Manning won more playoff games in one month this year than Favre's won in over a decade. It's been 10 years since Favre has won more than one playoff game in the same season. In the last 10 years, he's thrown as many playoff interceptions as he has touchdowns. Every year, it's one and done if Favre is your quarterback, because he melts down under pressure and refuses to play the game the coaches tell him to play because he thinks he's Superman. Rodgers may not be as good as Favre, but he at least has a chance at not being as bad, and if the team around him is good enough that may be all he needs to be. I'm willing to roll the dice and find out, because if you're convinced (as i am) that Favre will never win another championship, what is there to lose by giving the other guy a chance and seeing what he's got?
Favre did enough in last years loss to win that game in regulation. Unfortunately your defense gave up too many long, time consuming drives that were assisted with untimely penalties. I think the Giants had the ball for like 40 minutes or something? That Giants defense also held the most prolific offense in the history of the NFL to fewer points two weeks later. Was Favre playing safety when McNabb completed 4th and 26? This one was easy to remember. Were there others that were blown by the defense? He still has the tools to win it all IMO.
Physical tools, absolutely. No question. His skill set is still Top 5 in the league, arguably Top 3. It's the mental tools that he lacks. The simple ability to remain calm, controlled, and focused, and play within the game plan when he's under stress. That's what he lacks. The Giants game? Yeah, the whole team could have played better, and the coaching could have been a lot better. But I've read enough of your posts to know that you know enough about football to understand that sometimes, you need your quarterback to step up and win the game for you... and sometimes, you just need him not to lose it for you. You just need him to bide his time - stay poised, wait for the opportunity to present itself, and don't do anything to fuck it up while he's waiting. And Favre can't do that. Yeah, if the team had played better, it never would have gotten to overtime in the first place, but once it did, the team really needed their leader to step up and refrain from throwing a stupid interception. They needed him not to fuck up, but that's exactly what he did. He had at least 3 receivers wide open, probably for TDS, and he fell apart and forced the ball to the only Packer on the field who was covered - and it was bad throw to boot. Totally unnecessary, and totally inexcusable. You need your hall of fame quarterback not to do shit like that. Same with that Eagles game you mentioned - 4th and 26 wouldn't have been a factor if he hadn't thrown another stupid overtime interception. St. Louis in 2001 - 6 interceptions, starting in the 1st friggin' quarter when there shouldn't have been any pressure on him at all. Minnesota in, what, 2005? 4 interceptions. Atlanta in, what, 2003? 2 interceptions, and he was taken to school by Michael Freakin' Vick. That's what you get with Favre. Yeah, he's got as good a chance of getting you to the dance as any QB in the NFL, but once he's there, he's more likely than any other quarterback to puke in the punch bowl and pass out in the ladies' rest room. The best predictor for future behavior is past behavior, and Favre's playoff behavior in the last 10 years does nothing at all to suggest that he gives your team a chance to win 3 (or more likely 4) straight postseason games.
raydaddy, "A thinly vield illusion that we all bought into. There is no "family" there is nothing special here. Just another football team" You hit the nail on the head with this one my friend, very sad, all I can say now is: J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS !!! and give them hell Brett !!!
Why do you come over to the Jets board like a whinny bitch to rip Favre? You give all Packer Fans a bad name with your unappreciative little Girl Crap. 3 time MVP holds all the NFL passing records, STFU you whinny bitch !
What's wrong with him sharing his opinion? It's nice to hear a different perspective IMO. At least he explains the reasoning for his opinions, it's not like he's coming here just saying Favre sucks in every thread.
i dont see why he's even rooting for Favre, let alone the Jets, if he dislikes Favre so much. i thought he was a packer fan. if he is then he should be on a packer forum
Well, I guess you told me a thing or two, eh? Why is it that only a few of you Favreheads are able to conduct a civil debate with someone who holds a different point of view without stamping your little hind foot on the floor of your stall and screaming obscene personal insults? I'm thinking the childlike hero worship and the inability to disagree without screeching and namecalling are probably both indicative of some sort of arrested development. If reading something you disagree with makes you this hysterical, you should probably make it a point not to surf the net after 10 PM; the walls in those mobile homes tend to be awfully thin, and you don't want to keep the neighbors up all night.
