Isn't what you say true of every college tackle? And can't the same be said for Williams. Hasn't he gone against slower undersized players compared to the OL he will face in the NFL. The difference between pro and college football is true for every college player. Ferguson is considered is potential franchise LT for a reason, and it is the scouts that are putting him there. The draft is a crapshoot period. That is true of every position. There are NO sure things. If you look at history, this particularly applies to QBs and RBs. Anybody who says that they know Ferguson will be a success or a bust is a liar. Go down the draft and see how many busts there are each year. Plus you can't judge a player until he plays three years in the NFL. Before we proclaim Ferguson as overrated or a failure in the NFL, let's see him play a little.
How can you say Tapp played good that day because he was hungrier? Thats your way of trying to basically demean D'Brick. And the only player you keep mentioning is Daryl Tapp which i doubt you even saw that game(analyst always mention Tapps name when they talk about D'Bricks negative, so im pretty sure you just heard it on tv) because if you did, you would acknowledge Virginia Tech's front four is amazing and their D is ridiculous. Also the conference that Virginia is in isnt a weak division filled with untalented players. Last i checked he went up against Miami's D, VT's D and Florida State's D all which are loaded with 1st,2nd, and 3rd rd talent. Also someone pointed out that last year that D'Brick didnt give up a sack and this year he was playing injured. Oh and he shutdown Shawne Merriman 2 years ago. Not bad for some guy who got beat by Daryl Tapp
I agree because Hawk will help us out big in the run defense and we just have to see if we can build some of our young OL guys up from drafting them late or whatever.
Yes because drafting O-Line projects late and trying to coach them up has worked so well the last 5 years.
PR Pitbull you make a decent arguement but I am a college football fan and watch games in the ACC especially VT. The reason why I am using Darryl Tapp as an example is because of all the DE's that D'Brick has gone against Tapp is the only one that is legit. You keep talking like D'Brick went against the whole VT D-Line. Why don't you name the starters. Anyway, Tapp plays hard on every play and has a black lunchbox to store all the plays that he makes whether on sacks, forced fumbles, and tackles for loss. I am not trying to belittle D'Brick he is an okay OT but not a franchise LT. He has not shown the physicality to garner that. He doesn't have the resume of Bryant McKinnie shutting down a DE like Dwight Freeney and not allowing a sack in his whole college career. And for your information, even if D'Brick shut down Merriman who was basically a SLB in college, it has no relevance to what I am talking about.
Where are these posts coming from? It's not just Kiper pimping Brick, it's everyone, and they are pimping him for good reason. He has the most potiential of any of the OL in this draft. You not agreeing doesn't matter. At the senior bowl workouts, he stonewalled Mario Williams. Doesn't sound like the work of a bum to me.
Hey Tony, the Senior Bowl is for SENIORS only. Mario Williams is a JUNIOR man. You must mean Mathias Kiwanuka the speed rusher with no moves that Ferguson handled.
I had Williams on the brain :drunk: The guy is an excellent pass protecter who has put on the weight to be able to stand up against the run in the NFL. Whoever gets him will be very, very happy. I believe he is a franchise LT in every sense of the word. I'm just getting frustrated with all these "this high rated prospect stinks" threads.
i defently agree the comparisons thing is starting to kill me. some how we have comparable bust thread for all of the top 5 prospects. my thing with d brick his run blocking ist that good . while he has the agility and quickness to be effective in the run game he hasnt. thats why i cant put him in the "Franchise" class
D'Brick is a nice guy, DONT DRAFT HIM ! Super talented = yes A physical specimen = yes A nice guy = yes The trenches are a place for evil bastards and nice guys get their A&*'s handed to them. The most effective O-Line in the last 10 years is loaded with the biggest cheap shot artists in the league (Rhymes with Benver). Give me a nasty, ugly ear-biting lug with a bit slower 40 time. How often are these guys running 40's anyway? Think Mangold in the late first, he's gonna be a gritty NFL warrior. Tell me the nastiest guy with the most talent and i'll show you a future pro bowler that noone will want to face. (ie - Mawae)
Daryl Tapp, Johnathan Lewis, Noland Burchet, the 4th guy escapes me. They also had Jimmy Williams, Adibi and Vince Hall. Want me to name the head coach too? BS. Youre wrong. Merriman wasnt a linebacker in college, he was a DE, meaning he went head to head with D'Brick. He was converted into a linebacker in the NFL. D'Brick shutdown Shawn Merriman, Defensive Rookie of the Year, Only defensive rookie to make the pro bowl last year, registered 10 plus sacks, and thats only his NFL credentials. And he shut him down, meaning Merriman was going up against him, 1 on 1, and he couldnt get by him. Also shutdown Jason Babin, who was a beast in college and a 1st round pick and had the 4th most sacks in college that season. This was the same season that D'Brick didnt give up a single sack. What excuse are you going to come up with now? Merriman had an ingrown nail. Babin wasnt fighting a cold.
If you know so much, why are you posting on this board instead of sitting in an NFL war room??? And even those guys make mistakes in the first round about half the time. You really have no idea whether Ferguson will be a star or not. You may not like him at #4, but to speak in absolutes is a little presumptuous, don't you think???
d, I think Mario Williams is a can't-miss player for the Jets, although I think we also have better options. Look at how Ellis fared in his rookie season as an end in the 3-4. Rookies can contribute due to the lessened responsibilities involved. Although I think he'll struggle early as an edge rusher in the 4-3 if we do in fact run a hybrid. People seem to be excited about him for the most part due to his versatility, which was the same with Ellis. These two could pair up for at least 5 years in either base defense.
We could take another chance on it. It isn't likely to work, but it all starts with the defense. Defense wins championships, not OL on its own. If only we had snagged Runyan...We're getting Mangold, so you just have to take what you can get. We're probably not going to make the playoffs this year...my philosophy is that it all starts with the D. We will have Vilma, Hawk, Barton and Hobson starting opening day. We just have to struggle along and try again on offense sadly
