And i don't even see how Jacksonville is in position to DEMAND a 1st round draft pick in return for Fowler Jr to begin with. Not after they've already declined 5th year option I can't. In other words they're now on the verge of losing him for absolutely nothing come the offseason (or a conditional draft pick at best). They have zero leverage.
To be honest, I'm not crazy about either deal, but if it has to be one or the other, I'd take B over A any day of the week and twice on Sunday. We need our 2019 1st round pick to get our future LT. We need a pass rusher badly, and on the positive side of the ledger, Fowler is only 24, and including the playoffs had 10 sacks last season. On the negative side of the ledger, he missed his entire rookie season with a torn ACL (2015), has started only one game in the last two seasons (and that was in 2016), has had several off-field incidents including being suspended by the Jags for a week for fighting in practice, and is suspended for the first game of the season due to his arrest on three misdemeanor charges in 2017. His character is evidently so bad that the Jags have no interest in retaining him. Is that really the type of character we want to bring into the locker room, and do we really want to get rid of Teddy that badly that we'd give up a quality starting QB for an edge rusher with character issues and who has only started one game during his career? As much as the Jets need an edge rusher and have for a decade or more, I'd rather the Jets steer clear of him.
Bleh, Fowler is more name than impact. People think he’s elite because he went in the top 5 a couple years ago but draft status means nothing once you’re in the league. A lot of his sacks are from good coverage and push from the rest of the pass rush (which is really good as a whole down there). On top of it all he’s having problems with teammates and our locker room is actually decent for once. I’ll pass even at a low cost.
The Jags are looking to get rid of Fowler, he's not in their future plans. He has character issues and only started one game in his career. The Jets would be nuts to give Teddy AND a 3rd or 4th round pick, much less their 2020 2nd round pick for Fowler. If Mac were to do that, I'd want the SOB not only fired, but shot. If anything, the Jags should give us back a 3rd or 4th round pick for taking a major headache, head case and problem child (Fowler) off their hands and giving them their new starting QB.
Fowler is a risk, but the Jets now have some very strong leaders who I think could keep him in line, or at least keep him from screwing up the locker room. If there is someone better available, by all means, skip Fowler and go for the better option, but right now there isn't one. It's always a trade off. There won't be any better OL available, and the next (or equal) greatest need is pass rusher. Even is Mack is available, he's going to command more than what the Jets can - or should - give. For all the money invested in the secondary, without a true pass rush, they will be worn down and beaten. If you don't trade Teddy for Fowler, what do you think they get for him? A 2nd rounder? Isn't Fowler worth more than a 2nd rounder? Fowler isn't perfect, but no one is, they all have flaws and question marks.
Finally, a sensible response. I can't believe some of the crazy shit I'm seeing in this thread. Trading a quality starting QB for a head case who has only started one game in two years? Trading Teddy plus a 3rd or 4th round pick in 2019 or our 2020 2nd rounder? It might be one thing if Fowler had started all 16 games each of the last two seasons, but he hasn't. He has only started one game, and that was in 2016. Instead of salivating over his athleticism and potential some of you guys ought to be pondering why someone with that much talent and potential can't even start for the team that drafted him so high in the first place. Yes, it's been forever since we've had a dynamic edge rusher. I'm just as desperate for one as any of you guys, but some of you have lost your freaking minds. Your desperation is blinding you to reality. SMH
Nonsense. Fowler has only started 1 game in the last two seasons for Jacksonville. Why would he suddenly start every game for us? If he's that good, he would have been starting in Jacksonville. After all, they picked him #3 in the 2015 draft. He's also a frigging head case. Fighting with his pass rushing teammate? It might be understandable if he got in a fight with one of their OL, but with a fellow pass rusher? Attacking a man and throwing his groceries in a lake? Fowler evidently has a temper issue or is just flat out frigging crazy, and you want to give up Teddy and/or draft capital, and then pay that nut job lot of money? SMH
I couldn't possibly disagree more. One can't always get the ball out quickly if all one's receivers are covered. We have a potential FQB and he needs to be protected. It won't kill the team if they don't get an edge rusher this season. Losing Sam to a serious injury would kill this team, this fanbase, this season and possibly have a negative impact on future seasons. Protecting Sam should be the Jets #1 priority. Anything else and Mack should be fired.
If Fowler was a starter, then yes, I'd be inclined to trade Teddy for Fowler and a draft pick. With Fowler being a nut job, and possibly (likely to be arrested again for assault or worse), and having started only one game in his career for a team that drafted him #3 overall? No way. That's too much of a risk imo. They're trying to change the character of this team. Bringing Fowler in isn't the way to go about that. Just because we have some strong leaders doesn't mean that they can keep Fowler in check. They might be able to keep him in control on the field and in the locker room (and even that is doubtful since he got in a fight with one of his teammates there in Jacksonville and I'd guess that the Jags have some strong leaders there too), but not during his time off and during the offseason. It won't matter how much talent and potential he has if he winds up in prison or suspended for a long time. I think Teddy will bring at least a 2nd round and quite possibly a 2nd rounder and an additional pick (4th) or possibly even a 1st rounder (or more) if one or more teams lose their starting QB. You yourself said that if Brissett is worth a #2 then Teddy is worth more.
The Jaguars aren't "looking to get rid of Fowler Jr". They simply can not afford him long term (the same as N.E could not afford Brandin Cooks). It's really not that hard to understand nor comprehend. You do know that Jacksonville is in serious cap hell, right? And you do know that Jacksonville will be ranked 31st (out 32 teams) in available salary cap space (or lack thereof) come 2019's offseason, right? Because, if so? You wouldn't be saying the types of stuff that you're currently saying. As if you're 100% unaware of Jacksonville's salary cap hell. So please don't confuse the fact that Jacksonville can not afford him long term with them "not wanting him". Huge difference in actuality. Um. He played 464 snaps last year and put up 8.0 sacks as a 2nd year player (including another two sacks during the Postseason). Now imagine him as a FULL TIME STARTER. Exactly. He'll easily put up 10-12+ sacks per season.
Teddy doesn't have to be traded for a present OL. The Jets can get a pick for Teddy that can be used to draft an OL in the 2019 NFL draft.
I think if Mac were to deal for Fowler it would be on his terms - he is NOT trading next years first rounder - he worked too hard to keep it in the Darnold trade up . I could see the third rounder packaged with a player ( not Bridgewater ) or next years third and a 2020 second rounder contingent on stats or something in that area . NC Jets fan - I agree with most of your points and the Jags should be selling low and be happy with a possible second rounder....
He’s a genius compared to what Mac is, his drafts have been A+. He has built a very good team. I would take Caldwell in a heartbeat over Mac. You also keep talking about Cap hell, the jets are 8th in the NFL and the Jags are 14th in the NFL with regards to cap space. They are not that far apart. I believe they would rather pay Yanick and save some money to pay Fournette or Cam Robinson down the road. The way I see it, Caldwell is playing chess at a GM level and he’s planning on signing his other draft picks when the time comes. If Fowler is traded to Jets and jets give up a 1st, MAC has been taken to school again by a superior GM. What the hell does Brady and Cook and the rest of the moves other teams make have anything to do with this specific situation? Some moves work out for teams and others don’t, it’s the nature of trades in the NFL. I hope Mac keeps his picks and continue to make an effort to build team through the draft. That’s my opinion on the matter.
Both. Bridgewater for Fowler and 1st and Kearse for Mack . Bridgewater and Kearse are not here long term so for a first you transform a bottom 15 D into a top 2-3 d
The more I learn about Fowler's transgressions, the less my desire is to acquire him. I'd rather wait to see who else becomes available before the season starts and in free agency next year. Either way, I do not want our first round pick in next year's draft to be traded. It'll be needed to find the future LT.
