Exactly! I'd like to add that while adding Fowler is enticing - many posters don't seem to realize he hasn't exactly lit the world on fire considering he was a top pick. He has shown flashes ( including roughing up Brady ) but if the Jets do go out and sign him in the off season I'm hoping they add a second bigger piece like a Clowney. They have the money. Imagine that scene......
I'd take demarcus lawerence personally (he's a FA) and still grab fowler then run lawerence on one side and rotate fowler in with jenkins on the other side using fowler more for obvious passing downs and keep copeland to back up lawerence. Fowler hasn't lived up to his 3rd overall status but he's still a very good situational pass rusher. another guy we can look at similar to fowler is shane ray as denver is letting him walk since they have miller and chubb
I was for going after Fowler at the beginning of the season for the Bridgewater pick, but he's done nothing to impress my since. And the reputation he has of being disruptive seems more cemented. The Jets need a stud pass rusher, but they don't need any more headaches. He's not going to turn the franchise around so why bother?
i'm all in on demarcus lawerence personally. he's what the jets need more then anything. we need to back the truck of money up to his door
My Case For ChandlerFor what it would take to get Fowler I think you could give up a little more and get Chandler Jones. I like Jones better for several reasons, chief among them being he has a proven track record of being elite to the point he's almost in the Kahlil Mack and Von Miller conversation. While Fowler as stated hasn't exactly set the world on fire but has flashed and shown some consistency. Outside of that you would have to sign Fowler to a new contract for it to even make sense as you would only be getting him for the remainder of 2018 and with a 5th year option of 14.2mil in 2019. Jones on the other hand is already under contract through 2021 making an average of 16mil/year, which is what a Fowler contract would cost anyways in the post-Mack/Donald pass rushing contract world. Jones is 28, only 1 year older than Mack and his contract has an out in 2020. So his contract extends through the remainder of his prime at a cost cheaper than what it would be for lesser pass rushers after these massive deals given out this year.
I agree that C. Jones is much better than Fowler, but how are you proposing the Jets get him, assuming he's even available which is a BIG assumption.
this^ lawerence is as good as jones and wouldn't cost more, is younger and we woudln't have to trade for him. I'd focus on going after him personally
No way in hell do I trade for anyone on defense. If we do a trade, it needs to be for an O-lineman, running back, or receiver. The entire purpose of this year is to help Darnold develop, not delude ourselves into thinking playoffs. We can strengthen the team this offseason in free agency.
If we pick him up I hope he can score touchdowns for us. We have a CFL caliber offense at the moment.
I’m for signing a pass rusher or 2 as that’s really all the D needs..then drafting one.. of we put all our eggs in the Fowler basket -or traded for Mack- and he went down we’d be completely sunk..other teams lose a guy and there a drop but not unusually a crippling one..with us if he went down , our rush would fall off a cliff! Look no further than poor Leonard Williams, who according to the media is not only double teamed more than anyone in history, but the “quadruple team” was invented just for him!! We can’t be in this kinda position where we’re riding and dying with one guy. I’m also all for drafting O...after years of D it’s fine.. Also keep in mind With money, they’re going to give Leonard a blank check and lee/Q/Robbie will bark for some too..and that’s before Adams wants a giant deal in 2
I'm pretty sure this would be the current plan....the best FAs available are pass rushers.....maybe Mac signs a guard also. The draft can be used to fortify the OL and for skill players...
I don't know if I understand the question, and fear if I answer it I will come off sounding like a smart ass. In general I'm speaking to rumors of his trade, which usually are rumors leaked by that team 99% of the time. I like DeMarcus Lawrence too, but saying he's "as good" is based on a LOT of projecting and speculation. Jones has 7 years of this type of production with no sign of decline, Lawrence has 2 years and has had a much better supporting cast of lineman than Jones. I also don't believe at all that Lawrence will cost less than Jones at 16mil/year. At the end of the day I would just rather pay (via trade) more for a guarantee of 3 years of elite production, over someone that is less proven, will get a massive contract with lots of guaranteed money, that could turn out to be just solid but not game changing like you paid him to be (see Olivier Vernon).
you make some valid points for sure, the issue is you can have age or experiance but not both in the NFL. i'd rather give big money to a younger player personally. i get that jones has been around for 7 years and has passed 10 sacks every year but 2 and 1 he missed time and 1 he was a rookie so yeah he's pretty much guaranteed 10+ sacks and is a can't miss choice and yeah i agree that lawerence could get more then 16 mil a year on the open market as well. but with jones he's gonna be 29 next year and is only under contract for 2 more seasons so doesn't feel as long term as a guy like lawerence will be 27 and coming off back to back 10+ seasons (14.5 in 2017 and 5.5 so far less then halfway through the year) but yeah we see 1 year wonders at times for sure but lawerence is repeating that year. we can also lock him in for 4-5 years so he'll be here through his prime and be gone when he gets older and slows down. All depends how you look at it and either option is fine and much better then what we have currently.
Jones is under contract through 2021, so he has 3 more years on his contract after this season. My thought process is like this, give me 3 guaranteed years of high level production and lets see what happens in that time while you still have a QB on a rookie deal. It's not like I would be sad to see Lawrence here next year, I would just rather see 3.5 years of Jones for the same price. In 2020 this could be a dominant team with a superstar QB leading the way. I would just rather have Jones here for that year and the following one knowing who he is as player and what he would be bringing every week as opposed to someone that may not pan out.
My question - also not trying to be a smart ass - is an honest one: what do you think it will take to trade for Jones? Because I think it'll be prohibitive. Here's where I think things stand: - Chandler Jones will likely command a 1st round pick. -They need OL help, ideally a LT, a close second is C, neither of which is likely to be found on the FA list, so that means Macc will have to use his highest pick on one of these positions. - There are stud pass rushers likely to be available in FA - Lawrence being one of them, as well as some others - and they won't require spending any raft picks, which the Jets can't really afford. So, I see them signing a FA pass rusher (or two), and if possible OL help, and also a stud receiver or RB. Then in the draft they'll try to get their LT/C, and if they haven't gotten their WR and/or RB they'll look to the draft for them too.
In 2016 the Patriots received a 2nd round pick and G Jonathan Cooper from the Cardinals. So I would imagine two 2's or a 2 and a few late round picks, maybe Spencer Long and a 2. They want to keep their rookie QB safe just like we do, but if Jonotthan Harrison works out for us it might be worth it. That's not to mention that Lawrence may get a contract from the Cowboys or be tagged again.
Does the fact That these guys are available give y’all some pause? These guys typically NEVER hit the market unless there’s something wrong with them. And I mean seriously wrong! I know Jax and Dallas have $ issues, but I’ve always been told that the cap is fiction to a degree. They can cut other guys, rework stuff etc
