Daniel Kelly article

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  1. papapump

    papapump Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately there is no one size fits all. Each team has it’s own needs. Your observation does not reflect anything.
     
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  2. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    So, would you consider this year's schedule "brutal" for a young team like the Jets? If so, then next year's schedule is equally as brutal.
     
  3. KingRoach

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    Personally? No, I wouldn’t call it any more or less brutal than any other schedule.

    I’m not trying to interject either way. I’m just pointing out it’s no different than this year(esp after factoring in the extra playoff spots)
     
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    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Do you see more than 4 wins?
     
  5. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    I’m an optimist who tries to stay semi grounded to reality.

    If JD nails the draft for the 2nd year in a row
    If JD is more aggressive than usual in FA
    If we have no prolonged major injuries

    then yes.

    It’s a tough order to fill but we’re not too far behind the 2020 Bengals or the 2020 Cardinals imo.
     
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  6. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    We have lost every divisional game for the last two years. 0-12 alone, In the division.

    EVERY year Is a brutal year until we prove otherwise. That IS the reality of the situation.

    HI...

    I'm, one person.
     
  7. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    No. Not really.

    I loved, Rex. He wasn't without his flaws though. He had an ego, ego eventually was the leading factor towards his credibility as a HC being ruined.

    He jumped Into a HC gig too fast, was hurt about what happened here, It was a bad situation for him. Too emotional, lead to bad decisions.

    To be fair. If he didn't jump on that chance with the Bills, It's hard to say he would've gotten another chance. Then again.... If Adam "fuck stain" Gase can do It, anyone can.
     
  8. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    you and Cman are pointing to the present condition and recent past results of the Jets. Yes I know we suck. But that has zero to do with the SOS we play next year. No matter the team playing that schedule, it is not brutal. Its below .500 winning percentage combined. Its simply by definition, not brutal
     
  9. Dax89

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    You blow it up because unless we have such a good roster and aging HOF'er wants to rider your roster off into the sunset AKA Tampa Bay, you have very little hope of making a superbowl run in the near future. Teams end up flailing searching for answers a QB by throwing money or draft capital at over the hill or also-ran quarterbacks, for example giving $84 million to Kirk Cousins, trading a 1st rounder for Carson Wentz, or trading a 2nd, 4th, and 6th for Sam Darnold. You almost always end up in the same place as the Jets are now minus a warchest of draft capital and ample cap space.
     
  10. KingRoach

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    Didn’t the Vikings make it to the playoffs 3 years out of 5? Two of the losses being to the future SB reps?

    Weren’t the Colts 1 win from the playoffs/do you think they’ll make it next year?

    Wentz is better than any QB you could get at 15 in the draft this year.

    IMO 2 out of your 3 examples would go down as good moves; at bare minimum, not bad.
     
  11. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you are saying. I agree with that sentiment. My fault. I misunderstood your overall point.
     
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  12. Dax89

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    Minnesota with Cousins has gone:
    2018: 8-7-1
    2019: 10-5
    2020: 7-9
    2021: 8-8

    They won one playoff game, fired their head coach, and Cousin's cap it is going to be $45 mil next year, after being $31 this year and $21 the year before. This is with a very talented roster and an organization that drafts well.

    Indy also has a very talented team, drafts well. They missed the playoffs and have no 1st round pick going into next year.

    And these are examples that actually went kinda OK, so far neither have been worst case scenarios. Yet despite that they're both extremely talented teams that missed the playoffs and have spent a lot in assets to get into a position where they still have dim hopes to be superbowl contenders any time soon.
     
  13. KingRoach

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    Definitely not situations I would want to be in but to declare them in need of a tear down is nuts.

    The best franchises maintain a certain standard and strike when a QB falls to them: Dallas (lol f Dallas), Patriots, Ravens, Seahawks, even the Chiefs. They all had solid teams with mediocre QBs but they didn’t tear it all down so they could draft early. They maintained a level of quality and when the time was right, they took a QB that fell to them (within striking distance for KC)
     
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    Cousins is nothing special. He is great for beating up on the weak sisters, but his record against good teams is terrible. Last I checked, he was something like 4-28 against teams that were in the playoffs the previous year. Vikings way overpaid for him after MacCagnan built up his market.
     
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    This is all true but the issue in Minnesota has been the Swiss cheese defense in second halves, not Cousins. Close game losses are usually an indictment on the coach, not the quarterback. And no one played more close games than Minnesota this year.

    Indianapolis I’ll agree with you on. They’ve completely botched their QB situation and chased the wrong player. They should’ve begged Rivers to stay on one more year as they really should’ve beaten the Bills in the playoffs last year.
     
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    4-13 again... Book it.
     
  17. Nyjets4eva

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    as I starved fan for just even mediocre to good football with a chance of playoffs I would take that run. Especially over our trash I see nothing wrong with how they tried to build. They did draft somewhat well and it just didn’t work out. They need to now do a competitive rebuild since they still have some good players. Meaning drafting and grooming a new QB to take over soon
     
  18. The Dark Knight

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    The schedule makers could set it up and make it really hard on the Jets, but we don't know yet. As for opponents, it looks like a normal schedule.

    I think I talked about it in other threads, but standards or expectations are hard to figure out for the Jets, but I think anything from 7 to 10 wins is fair. 7 may be disappointing, depending on how the games go.

    They get Becton back, Lawson back, whoever they sign in Free Agency, 4 players in the Top 38 of the NFL Draft, All of the 2021 rookies now will be 2nd year players with NFL experience, Robert Saleh and Mike LaFleur will have a year of experience at Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator, and you add all that up and think it is (4-13) tops after just going (4-13)?
     
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    Yep. Even though we get guys back, other teams aren't going to stand still either. Most of the teams on that schedule were better than the Jets in '21. Without a Jet quantum leap, they will be better in '22 too. We'll beat the Lions and Jax at home, but teams that we historically lose to will beat us again.

    4-13..
     
  20. cval

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    We don't know what the team looks like yet.
     

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