Yes, why blow it up? If Zach doesn't work out - and I believe he will - but if he doesn't, the rest of the foundation should be mostly in place, so all that's needed at that point is a decent (preferably better than decent, but at least decent) QB which you can find in FA or possibly draft one. Douglas is doing this the right way which is unfathomable to some here who have only ever known the Jets to do "quick fixes", or try to win with a bunch of veterans who wear out after a year or two. We're paying the price now, but it's going to be much cheaper in the long run.
Excellent point! Some Jets fans want to have it both ways, and you can't. At one moment they're bemoaning how we have no talent, and the next complaining about our having another losing season rather than competing for the playoffs. They're just not dealing with reality. We are in a much better position than the Giants are in. We are poised to take a big step forward this year, and I'm excited. Don't worry about Zach busting. That's not gonna happen, but even if it did, we would already have the foundation in place, so there would be no need to blow it up and start over.
Changing the culture of an organization with as pervasive a loser-mentality as the Jets have needs to start from the top. That can mean the owner, the coach or the GM. We know it's not going to start with Woody because he's a proven loser. It would appear it hasn't started with Saleh or JD either. To change a culture this drastically you need someone with the right mindset and a history of success. There is a reason so many Belichick disciples fail as coaches - because they try to act like Belichick without having the respect that enables that to work. It's going to take a Jim Harbaugh type to change the culture of this organization. That or stumbling upon an outstanding QB.
I totally disagree. You speak as if you have experience running NFL teams and know what does and doesn't work, and as if you have intimate knowledge of JD's and Saleh's mindsets and what happens behind the scenes and at practice. You don't. Please give it a rest. I like you, but your posts are truly getting over the top and starting to rival a couple of our forum crackpots.
Saleh went 4-13 in his first year as a coach. The team has 6 wins during Douglas' tenure. We have more reason to think they are losers than winners at this point. At the very least I think it's fair to say neither are instant culture-changing types.
How was JD supposed to change the culture into a winning one when he needed to tear down the old team, clear the cap and rebuild from the ground up? How was he supposed to win his first year when he was hired after FA and the draft and Gase was his HC?? How was he supposed to win this year with more rookies and young players than any other team in the NFL, more players on IR than any other team in the NFL, a rookie CS and a rookie QB? The answer is, he couldn't and no reasonable, fair, knowledgeable football fan would claim that he should have won and whine about culture. Thinking that the culture could have totally changed and the team started winning these last couple of years is totally unrealistic and really dumb imo. You're smarter than that. You've always been a rational, fair poster, but for some reason, you've decided to go off the deep end and join the ignorant chowderheads on here spouting nonsense. I don't know why, but it's sad. There was no way the Jets were going to win with the lack of talent on the team and with Gase as HC, or this past season with all they had going against it. You know it, I know, we ALL know it. So please stop with your dumb agenda.
Much as I liked Rex when he was here.... he had talent to work with and motivate. Saleh's calm measured approach is probably the right way to go as we try and plug the holes in the Jets dingy. It would be ridiculous to make any promises other than the determination to get better.
Not good enough IMO. Douglas should be talking playoffs next year, not "meaningful games in December." For whatever it is worth, EVERY game should be a "meaningful game" anyway.
you think the schedule is hard next year? I know youre a hopeless dark sider but the schedue isnt hard next year....bears, broncos, steelers no QB, Jax, Lions and Packers possibly without Rodgers....Seahawks possibly without russel.....come on bro
Rushing into a QB pick at #2 with a 2-14 roster, and then using 3 high picks on a guard isn't a quick fix? He literally gave up multiple 1sts, 2nds, and 3rds for our first round last year. If we would have taken the more patient path, traded the second pick and built out the roster, everything would be in far better shape right now. We'd be having that get over the hump discussion this draft, and should we trade two of our 6 top 50 picks for Russel Wilson. (the answer to that is "no"). You're really mistaken believing we are doing some type of slow proper rebuild. JD is cobbling the best he can.
Denial is more than just a river bro. But hey, lets keep trucking towards our upcoming 6-7 win season.
How often have we beaten any of the teams you've listed? JAX and the Lions I get. All the rest? Not next year. You're dreaming if you think the Jets can compete with those teams. The Lions made far more progress than the Jets in '21. They lost but they were competitive. The Bears still have Fields and with a CS change that suits his talents, we don't fare well against running QB's. Broncos? Nope... Steelers without Ben? MAYBE. The AFCE? perhaps one win against the MIA but that's it. I'm not a dream killer so feel free to live the dream of a vastly improved Jet team in '22. Me? I'll let the results on the field tell the story, not fairytales. I got 4 wins max and that's if everything goes perfectly for the Jets.
Kelly makes some good points in his article, but takes it too far with regards to the Jets. To refuse to accept that they are in the early stages of a rebuild, with a rookie CS, rookie QB, and more rookies and young players starting and playing than any other team in the league is just nuts. Yes, you expect them to play well, to be competitive. That's fair, but to expect them to make the playoffs this past season was nothing short of insanity imo. Parcells was an excellent veteran HC with a veteran CS, the team had a good bit more talent, and Parcells was able to bring in a bunch of "his guys." He didn't care about sustainable success. He wanted to win once and ride off in the sunset. Those are very different scenarios. To deny that is foolish and wrongheaded. I do like his points about building the team around what Wilson does well, and the team needing to take on an idenity (that of the HC). His points about doing whatever it takes to get Thibodeaux and Ekwonu are moronic. With all the holes they have, they can't burn draft picks because some former wannabe scout said so. I thought his name sounded familiar. He was the guy that worked in Pro Personnel and wrote up a detailed study of the prospects in one draft, which got him hired. He obviously wasn't that great at his job however, because he didn't last for the Jets and is not working for an NFL team now. His idea of going all out to have the best STs is idiotic too. Yes, you want better starting position for your offense and worse starting position for your opponent's offense. That doesn't mean you sign 10-12 STs FAs, many of who in the NFL are 3rd stringers and rarely if ever see action on the offensive or defensive units. He has some other articles that have some good points, and he writes well. I'll give him that.
Listen.. At some point you have to have results mean something, blowing smoke up everyone's ass only takes you so far. As we've witnessed for over a decade now. Culture change Is real. Rex Ryan.. Hate him or love him. He came In with a plan, to be winners, and that's exactly what he did. He made this team a winner more times than not. Since then, we've had a bunch of dipshit yes men running the show... People In over their head. Nothing. NOTHING. Has shown that this has changed. How can I say this? Easy.. Show me the money.. (Jerry Maguire) There are no results that suggest we've turned the corner. Finally. Nope. Just another losing season with promises of a better tomorrow. "We just got to get through ANOTHER rebuild first to do It.." Blah, blah, blah... Same story, different narrator. I'll wait till reality Is actual reality In that way. That we are showing, through the only thing that matters, our wins VS losses, that we are In-fact, winners. That's the ONLY reality I care to subscribe to with this particular topic.
I'm not seeing it. But then again, this is what fans say every year in January, forgetting that teams you thought were strong in January come out differently in Sept. As will our Jets
Rex Ryan took over a pretty good roster left over from Mangini and then Tanny loaded up. He two winning seasons his first two years and then destroyed the team and never had a winning season the next 4 years. Perception is interesting
Woody wasnt here when this staff was put together so cant be blamed, if thats even a thought at this point' His tweets do what exactly that some fans get their pants twisted over? The 30 seconds it takes to post, if he is even the one who posts them. Then the big one, what could he do in the short period of time that hes been back that would have brought us extra wins? What makes you so sure he isnt all that interested in winning? I never get owner hate, unless their meddling and ruining things for their org ala Dolan and the Knicks.
