Cut Tebow

Discussion in 'Tebowmania' started by dr.velociraptor, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. Jim-Jet

    Jim-Jet Banned

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    Were you using an M-14 in '69?
     
  2. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    Was that at Benning ?
     
  3. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

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    I'd like a link to the post where you were called an anti-christian bigot or where a "Tebowite" ever brought religion up in a discussion with you.


    Selective memory, or you need to go back and learn how to count as that wasn't after your "first" post that someone "immediately suggested suffocating" you with a pillow, but rather, after your 6th post.


    Nothing personal sunshine, but some of us take issue with guys who like to exaggerate and play so loosely with the truth. THAT is why you have been "attacked", not because you merely questioned something about Tebow.
     
  4. Remarker

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    Yep.
    filler
     
  5. Demosthenes9

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    No kidding ? What year? I'm an Army brat and lived there from 73 - 85.
     
  6. TNJet

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    The reason I want Tebow in there is because he is not Sanchez. Tim has grit and conviction. Mark folds at the first sight of trouble. I just want a QB who doesn't quit. Is that so wrong?
     
  7. Remarker

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    '65.
    filler
     
  8. Fightin'JetTitan

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    Why not use the REAL b/u qb?

    McElroy!!!
     
  9. NewEnglandJet

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    Ya I agree it's infectious to watch. I doubt Tebow would have much success with this offense but at least a change would reenergize me.
     
  10. danangmarine68

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    I was wing, us and the combat engineers were some of the last units to get the M-16. MAG-12 in Chu Li got their 16s sometime in early '68 I was with MAG-11 up at Danang and they didn't transition until after I left in April of '69. I carried a 14 with a selector key. Not the most accurate on full auto but if you fired it John Wayne style from the hip for short bursts it was controllable. With almost the same cyclic rate, it would sound like a 60. I would go down to MAG-12 every few months and the guys down there were always trying to get me to trade. With 4 in the Corps' the only time I fired the 16 was one day at Smedley Butler in Okinawa for a fam fire prior to going down South. Did not care for it's accuracy and range.
     
  11. Backup QB

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    Ah, yes... good old Benning. Spent many mornings there running up Cardiac Hill. :up:
     
  12. jerseyjay14

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    12 regular season starts

    2 post season starts
     
  13. catfish

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    not to pick nits, but it was 13 starts, 11 regular season, 2 post season. He came in when they were 1-4. I still don't give a shit about fumbles, but at least we can be on the same page about starts
     
  14. Dennis

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    And they ended the season 1-4 with him as well...
     
  15. catfish

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    yup....which is completely beside the point I was making, but congrats on the cherry picking
     
  16. Backup QB

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    So, if the football season was 100 games long and he won 90 games after a 1-4 start and finished the season 1-4 for a complete record of 90-10... would it matter if he ended 1-4? Just asking using an exaggerated situation in order to understand your logic. I simply do not understand it whatsoever.
     
  17. phaytal

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    I'm pretty sure that he is just implying that starting 1-4 is just as shitty as finishing 1-4. Nothing more.
     
  18. Backup QB

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    I will end my temporary ban on responding to you since this seems like a measured response.

    I understand his premise, but not the logic behind it. You cannot simply ignore the wins in between the losses. The fact is that the team under his leadership had already done enough to secure a division title. The team then went on to win a playoff game against a heavily favored Steelers defense. The Broncos are still incapable of beating the Patriots with Peyton Manning, so clearly Tebow alone is not to fault for the loss.

    If he had gone 4-7 as the starter, perhaps the argument would hold water. Tebow went 7-4 as the starter, though. In my mind, it doesn't matter if he went 1-4 then 6-0 to complete the regular season. The playoff implications would have remained the same. They still had to win the same amount of games to make the playoffs and win the division. 1-4 end to the season is a meaningless stat.
     
  19. catfish

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    i would add on that 2 of those 4 losses were to a team that eventually played in the superbowl
     
  20. Dennis

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    Except football season isn't 100 games long. You've been a pretty good poster so far, BuQB - this is your only real clunker I know of.

    It's a facetious argument and you know it.

    My REAL point is, Tebow fans keep pointing at his 7-1 start and kind of stop there. They ignore the fact that the season turned upside down for him at the end with the 1-4 finish. They refuse to question why.

    I feel that Tebow got off to his 7-1 start because of a few factors -
    1. There was no useable game film on Tebow
    2. The run option Offense Denver used with Tebow was a gimmick - like Miami's wildcat - that took teams a little while to figure out how to counter
    3. Denver's schedule hit a run of teams that were either flat-out bad (Miami) or so badly hurt at critical positions that they stunk (Chicago)
    Once teams figured out that all they had to do was to cover the deep routes, contain Tebow in the pocket and stop relaxing into Prevent Ds at the end, the "Tebow Magic" disappeared. Timmy's last minute heroics were gone.

    Tebow's amazing start was all smoke & mirrors. Once someone figured out how it was done, the trick just didn't work anymore...
     

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