This is fantasy land. This is a "young" team. You mean a team bereft of young talent. That is "growing"? How, like a chia pet? What does "growing " mean? How are we growing? A "great" core? Not a "good" core or a "decent" core but a "GREAT" core? Are you joking? We have no QB, our best playmaker is likely gone, we have no other real dynamic playmakers, our number 1 receiver is a nice number 2, our best lineman are on the back nine and we haven't had a serious pass rusher since John Abraham was crashing into fire hydrants. Our "core" is mediocre at best. We have three great interior defensive lineman. Most of our LBs are old and slow and our secondary is either injured or awful. "IF" we use our salary cap wisely and draft well the stars "could align"? Every shitty team in the NFL could say that. This sounds like a child wrote it. _
If Tampa Bay drafts Winston and he turns out to be awesome and he gels perfectly with the offense and wide receivers and he stops all his off field issues and he is a perfect fit and they use their cap perfectly and draft pro bowlers and coach a great season, they can easily be in the playoff hunt.
I just find it hard to trash the Milliner pick. I understand people's dislike with the rest of Idzik's drafting most specifically missing out on a receiver this year, but Milliner was the right pick there. We just traded Revis away, Cromartie was beginning to show age and we has no corner help to be found. Even in hindsight go back and look. Who exactly should we have taken there? We signed Giaciomini to play right tackle so Flukers out. The rest of the first round of that draft is full of defensive lineman we didn't need along with defensive backs that were rated much much lower than Dee Milliner at the time. Most every safety outside of Vaccaro graded out as and was projected to be second round players. I guess the only argument you can make is that we take one of the guards which I'm pretty sure everyone would've killed. Regardless of how it turned out Milliner was pretty much the right pick at the time, at least in my opinion. In terms of McDougle I actually think he's going to be a good player if he can stay healthy. He was certainly a reach at the time but if he becomes a good player does everyone eat their crow? I doubt it.
Your only points that have any validity or truth are #3 & #5. I think you're dead wrong on all the rest. No one uses your criteria for determining whether a team is rebuilding or not. Dumb. Bringing Revis back would be moronic at best with all the holes the Jets have. It doesn't make football or financial sense. Yes, it's still early, but with 12 picks last year, there should have been more players that made an impact. In time, I think it will prove those of us who think Idzik sucked as a talent evaluator right.
i thought the Milliner pick was great at the time. certainly seemed like the right move. the injuries were in part bad luck, but you have to hit on picks that high. it hasn't worked out to this point, along with a quite a bit of our other draft decisions.
I love #1 .. me and @NCJetsfan just discussed this on another thread. I can't say Idzik is a good drafter though... yeah he hit in the 1st and second rounds but a lot of teams do. it's the later round gems that build a "drafters" reputation. 2014 was an excellent draft to build on and all we got left is Amaro & Pryor, 10 picks wasted.
You are right Idzik wasn't a poor drafter. We was a piss poor, stupid, idiotic, brain dead, cheap ass drafter. Idzik should never have been hired.
So true. That hiring group paid too much attention to managerial skills and too little in player evaluation skills. He was a terrible pick who was given glowing support by those that hired him, his resume was presented to make him look like he had pro scouting experience at a high level. We now see what should have been seen. Thank heavens they didn't give him another year to further screw our team. Time will tell if our new hires are perfect but at least we are headed in the right direction. JMHO
Iguess this site is the kind posters here tend to focus on during the off season periods when not much else is going on. I give the OP credit for a long post, but not much else. I was going to focus on the second point, which I totally disagree with, but I will leave it at... Saying the Jets drafted Richardson and that Ryan deserves the credit for that does not mean that Ryan shares in the blame for misses in the draft. I say that not to defend Ryan, who I am for the most part glad he's gone. It's just a matter of simple logic. It is entirely possible, and is the narrative here that tends to be most supported by available evidence and logic, that Richardson was Ryan's choice. So they let Ryan have input on that one. Is it not likely that such input was more than it was on other choices? Of course it is likely. Take Idzik out of it for a second - does anyone really think that Stephen Hill was AS MUCH Ryan's choice as Richardson was? Of course not. So the whole logic of #2 falls apart. Meanwhile we have all those wideouts Idzik failed on across the board last year - no need to wait ten years to say those moves sucked. And Milliner and McDougle were injury prone prior to their selections. Idzik was fired, and should have been. I don't want to say much about Mariota, because imo he does not fall to 6. But if he does, and the Jets have not in the meantime made a major move at Qb that involved a trade of that pick, just watch the Jets take him. That leaves rebuilding, which we've talked about elsewhere, and I don't want to make this post too long. Let's just say it's a mixed bag and will depend on many variables, especially how well the Jets can do in replacing Smith. But I do think the current roster is probably bottom third in terms of talent. As of now.
This. He took bargains in fixed positions. He's a buffoon and anything Big Mac does will be fantastic in comparison. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Last two points for me. Using Richardson as evidence of Idzik's competence as a drafter is nonsense. It sounds like you are saying that WE have to give him major credit for taking the best player in the draft. As if it was his grand plan, that he was waiting in the weeds ready to pounce. Bullshit. If that were the case, he would have taken him at 9. He lucked out. Nice pick but I'm not giving him credit for being smarter than anyone else because he wasn't even smarter than himself. He took Milliner when the best player in the draft (admittedly retrospectively) was just sitting there. _
This isn't a "myth", it's an opinion. Look, I love the guy but I understand other folks have opinions on whether he's better than Winston or whether he'll transition to the pro game or a whole host of reasons. I agree if the franchise QB is sitting there you take him, but none of us KNOW whether he's going to BE a franchise QB. I wholeheartedly think so but I could be wrong. It's a guess. Not a "myth". _
I'm not trying to defend Idzik, but we have to at least give him credit for Richardson. First, Richardson was not the best prospect in the draft, far from it...he turned out to be the best, but at the time he was considered in the top 15-20 range. Hindsight is always 20/20. The reason he took Milliner at 9 and waited on Richardson is that he knew there was a much better chance of Richardson still being around at 13 (or wherever we ended up getting him, I forget the exact pick). Milliner was the consensus top CB prospect in the draft, and he was actually a steal at #9....he was projected to go in the top 3. So Milliner was a great pick by Idzik, nobody had a crystal ball and could predict the future that he would struggle to start his career, and who knows, he very well still might end up panning out. He's still very young, and I think he will get his career on track very soon. Richardson was a brilliant pick because he was in a group of defenders, including Star Lotulelei, and nobody was really sure how to rank them. But Idzik picked the best one, and can we just discount that as "luck"? It might have been, but then we have to call every great draft pick anybody has ever had as "luck", because how do we know what his thought process was, or what he knew versus what was just luck? See my point? BTW, it very well might be the case that Milliner was Idzik's pick and Richardson was Rex Ryan's pick. It's not uncommon for a GM to let his coach make some of the picks. It seems like in years past there were drafts where the GM and coach alternated picks, and if I'm not mistaken in some cases it was reported that a certain player was Rex's guy and others were choices of the GM. Who really knows for sure what goes on behind the scenes in the war room. I do recall that it was reported that John Conner was a Rex pick one year.
