If the Jets front office told Coles they'd take care of him, he has a right to bitch. And I believe Coles. The best thing for the team though is to move on and trade him. We're not likely to be in the mix next year either.
I'm really getting fed up with this organizations treatment of players especially the good ones... Seems their philosohy is: You want this, but we'll give this or you can go. Very cheap and stubborn. Lav deserves a long term especially a player of his calibur who actually wants to finish his career here!
But the other option is getting into the practice of dumping large contracts on aging vets on the decline, where the message would be: Start acting like a malcontent and make lots of noise, then we'll give you a new extension. That'd be very naive and stupid. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation. Pay Coles, and they'll be allocating big money on a player who won't be one for much longer, while there are numerous other holes on the team that need attention. Let Coles go, and the offense, especially the progression of Clemens, may take another step back. I honestly don't know what's the right decision here.
Coles has been a great Jet . I respect everything that he has done on the field and in the locker room. That said.....TRADE HIM NOW....if we can't, CUT him! This is the kind of cancer we don't need! I don't care who told who what at what time.......get rid of this dude as soon as possible......the things he is saying lead to nothing but trouble
This comment assumes that players arrive on a team ready made and their contribution is a given. But their real contribution depends on how they fit into the team and its strategy. Given a disastrous year (4-12) is everybody on the team over the hill? We need to accept the perspective that after a year like this, the team needs to fix what's wrong -- with coaching, with free agents, and with the draft. Everything, all tools available. Throwing away your injured 30-year-old warriors may not be the only answer.
Who said to throw him away? the guy got 15 million guaranteed for the last 3 years plus another 5 million he ripped off the Redskins. He is under contract and the team has said they want to keep him and he has said he wants to play one or two more years. Now he wants a 5 year deal? The guy is looking for huge upfront money to be spread as a cap hit over 5 years which will become dead money after he quits in 2 years. His production has gone south since he injured his foot for the Redskins. He is a very solid possession WR when he isn't hurt which is becoming more frequent. He is not a guy who should be busting the cap on a 4 and 12 team. On top of that his negotiation ploy is to call the management liars 2 weeks into the off season. This is a guy who has averaged 5.5 Million a year since his rookie contract expired in 03 averaging 950 yards per and is on the decline.
why cant athletes all act like curtis, this guy is a dick, he is GOOD, but not great. So let him go, I say effem. If anyone of us went to our bosses and said I know you just signed me for millions but its not good enough, they would say bite me and have a nice day, why should this be different?
Folks, the guy has 2 years remaining on his deal, right? A lot can happen in football in 2 years, especially for a guy that plays the way LC plays. Giving aging, damaged extensions to sentimental players is one of the things that got us into trouble. Remember the ill-advised Chrebet contract? I do, and I loved the way he played as much as LC, but that was a crazy contract. LC is approaching Chrebet in terms of fragility. It's not like he's up this year. Let it play out and if he comes through and he's still productive, sign him then.
I say sign him. I love that he said that he wants to retire a jet. Obviously his heart is in this team.
The FO needs to do whats in the best interests of The New York Jets, not LC's pocketbook..The dude is getting paid and has gotten paid while wearing the green..He is a great gamer and a tough SOB but holmes needs to calm down and stop yappin to the press.
I dont think a holdout is a cancer it usually doesn't affect other players a ton most of them are mature enough to get past it. A TO Mcnabb thing like a couple of years ago that is a cancer. I agree with trading him though we need to rebuild and you cant be picky there are only a few pices I consider untouchable for the team Rhodes, Revis, Harris, Leon, Clemens, Brick, Mangold, Cotchery and maybe smith. Everyone else can be moved or cut or whatever.
The guy has 2 years left on his contract, and weren't there rumors that he may consider retiring soon? What does he need 2 more years for? Excellent point All star..If I remember correctly it was Coles doing all the talk about retiring..every training camp..every end of the season for the last two years..I'm sure they (FO) appreciate what Coles has done but the dude has to shut up..LC is a multi millionaire thanks to the NY Jets..don't forget that LC.
Here we go again, more off season nonsense invloving a veteran player. It is also interesting that he claims he was promised he would be taken care of like Kendall claimed he was. If this is true, the FO needs to exhibit the character that they are looking for in players and pay the man.
The quickest way to build a perennial loser and put yourself in cap hell is to pay for past performance. From what I have read, the Jets are willing to guarantee his next two seasons at $5mm and $6mm which is not all that common. That's $11mm guaranteed. What is he really looking for then? Reggie Wayne: 6-year, $40mm, $13.5mm guaranteed, $7.5mm in non-guaranteed salary first two years of deal (2/06) Chad Johnson: 6-year, $35.5mm, $12.0mm guaranteed, $7mm in non-guaranteed salary first two year of deal (4/06) Donald Driver: 4-year, $17.0mm, $2.0mm guaranteed, $7mm in non-guaranteed salary first two years of deal (5/06) Steve Smith: 6-year, $44mm, $9.3mm guaranteed [$6mm 2008 roster bonus guaranteed for injury only], $3.75mm in non-guaranteed salary first two years of deal (5/07) I think of Steve Smith as a younger Coles (granted he has had more injuries). I don't think that $11mm guaranteed for two-years is a bad deal for Coles. If he really thinks he has 5 good years left, than he will be a FA in two-years and can sign a nice three-year deal to finish out his career. Of course, I don't have any more knowledge than what is in the papers, but with Coles rhetoric, it doesn't seem like there is a middle ground here. The Jets made a gesture to guarantee two years of salary, but he seems only interested in a new deal. Considering Coles has a history of wanting to re-negotiate after two years, it seems like it is time for him to prove it for the next two years before getting another long-term deal. (yes, I have changed my position from the other day when i was thinking the Jets had to pay him. That was before I learned they offered to guarantee his next two years of salary.)
The Team Has An Obligation To The Fans. We Were Terrible With Him. Get A Draft Pick And Dont Let The Door Hit You In The Ass. Pretty Soon We'll Have Every Player Reporting "they Said They Would Take Care Of Me"! 5 Million Guaranteed I'd Say That's Enough. Make A Stand. Play For The Contract YOU SIGNED 2 Yrs Ago. What Burns Me Up Is These Players Are Pampered There Whole Life.People Sucking Up To Them. Giving Them What They Want. Well Instead Of Stealing Paychecks Like Last Year And Not Preforming Until Week 9. How About Playing Up To Potential. It Makes Me Sick They Work Six Months A YR. Learn To Budget Your Money Instead Of Trying To Extort The Team Every 2 Yrs
Coles is never happy. He felt diresepcted by us before, wanted out, went to Wahsington & was miserable. He came back & is unhappy yet again. He's nearing the end of his career. There's no reason to make a commitment to him now. Move him & move on.
I would like to point out that when a WR is shut down to short routes the way the NYJ receivers are shut down -- by the OL NOT the QBs -- they are more likely to get hit more often and with greater force. All the NYJ WRs knew this and still ran their routes. Strong arms and spaghetti arms alike -- 1.3 seconds is not enough time to do much with. I would suggest that a lot of the team cohesion in this situation was due to Coles and to Pennington putting the team first instead of their own situations. They are going to have to KEEP DOING this until the OL is fixed. Everyone knows this. If you read what Coles actually said, and it's been quoted verbatim in this thread, he was talking about time, not money. Now this means he wants the chance to get through this rough spot and do his thing fully. I'm saying simply he deserves the time and the chance, because I think he paid for it with his body. My other issue is, if you guys think Coles has lost a step, then you haven't been paying attention. The man runs routes well, he's not a one-trick pony.
I would argue they're not being cheap, but selective. I don't think Bryan Thomas or Jerricho Cotchery or Thomas Jones would in any way describe the Jets as cheap. Now you could argue that they shouldn't have given those specific players such big contracts, but that's another argument (talent evaluation). The fact is you can't pay everyone. Paying Coles a huge 4 year extenion at the age of 30 after multiple injuries including a concussion last year is not wise IMO. The Jets gave too much to an aging Wayne Chrebet. Was it "fair" when Coles bolted the Jets for the huge tender offer from the Skins? Of course it was. Then the Jets traded back for him and signed him to a huge extenion. Was Coles complaining then? No. Now its the Jets turn to play hard ball....
The problem I have with Coles is that I cringe everytime he even gets tackled now. I never know what he's going to hurt next. The man plays through pain, I'll give him that, but he's becoming very injury-prone.
But then again, when the OL is blocking (or not blocking) this way, every WR is in the same jeopardy on those short routes that everybody in the stadium knows they are having to run to give the QBs a target before they get mashed flat. You should also notice, that Coles is the one that runs the "Randy Moss flies" that clear out the way for Cotch's intermediate catches. This has been noted not just be Coles but by Cotchery and the media too. I think they give Coles the job because he is still the fastest wide out we have on the field.
