Coherent Thoughts (Deep Breath Everyone)

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  1. jets_fan

    jets_fan Well-Known Member

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    I bet the airborne lint could easily blow its way through the right-side B-gap and sack our QB.
     
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  2. stinkyB

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    What's the spread, and what's the soap, because I'm leaning heavily on the lint...
     
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  3. dawinner127

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    This is an awful take.

    You were the one who wanted to take D. Smith 2nd overall lmao. https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/after-a-month-of-consideration-on-the-2.95371/

    AVT is going to be one of the best guards in the league for a very long time. A potential all-pro player is worth whatever draft capital we gave up to go grab him. Our OL sucks, but we're mad we traded up to get a sure fire stud on the OL? Are we really doing that now? Jets fans are so damn ridiculous.

    Fans have cried for years about not spending early draft capital on skill positions. How can you say Moore is a luxury pick? Really? Moore is a rookie and is having a better season than Crowder at the moment. The coaching staff needs to get the kid on the field more. Moore is one of our better playmakers. Not only has he contributed more than Crowder on the stat line, I also remember at least 3 big DPIs he has drawn which led to TDs for us -

    You're really comparing Carter (a 4th round pick) to Harris who was a first round pick. Give me a break. Carter has been terrific for us as a 4th round pick.

    We got three legit players during this draft. If Zach hits that makes four. Teams rarely get two legit starters per draft and you think JD should go?

    If we are in the same position this time next year, then I'll jump on the train with my pitchfork for Douglas, but right now it needs to stop.
     
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  4. ouchy

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    On a team with Crowder, Cole, and Berrios taking another slot WR was a luxury at a position that didn't need addressing. Then there was the "he can play X,Y, and Z" - except he cant play X and Z very effectively at this level because he's too small. He's a great slot receiver prospect that wasn't really a need. Whats worse, JD admitted he was going to take Moore at 23 before getting the AVT bug! (and that he would have taken Carter at 34) That alone should tell you how out of touch JD was with the draft board.

    So we have lots of great slot receivers and a lot of holes elsewhere - including a true Z WR. To be honest, Jevonta Williams would have been a much smarter skill pick at 34.
     
  5. cval

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    He is on his way.name the players we would gotten instead. I don't care about picks what place we could we have chosen?
     
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    Cole and Berrios are JAGS man. Moore is a legit play maker. Just stop it already.
     
  7. ouchy

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    Off the top of my head, Alex Leatherwood would have been available at 23, and he is now rating higher than AVT. Landon Dickerson would also have been a solid pick, as would Christian Darrisaw. None of them would have required a trade up and left our thirds to fill other holes.
     
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  8. ouchy

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    Crowder and Cole are both averaging more yards per game and Cole has more yards per reception. I guess they are super legit playmakers. Yes Moore is talented, and yes it was a luxury pick.
     
  9. Mogriffjr

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    So there’s been a bit of criticism in how the team uses its players and usage. For example…



    Q is about established as a dominant 3 tech, but he’s not playing as much as the other elite guys…




    Moore is the Jets best route runner by all means. But why is his usage not as much as it should be? There’s a lot of guys running in and out these lineups and rotations, maybe this is hurting the cohesiveness?
     
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  10. Ralebird

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    Yes, he was an average defensive coordinator for four years on a team with pretty decent personnel.

    NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Offensive Points per Game (Estimated) | TeamRankings.com

    Lots of different ways to look at it there and it always comes up average.
     
  11. ouchy

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    Part of the Q lack of snaps may be Q himself. When I tracked him last season I kept mentioning that he tires out to fast and wants to come out every two or three plays. His conditioning has always needed to improve. Not sure if thats the case this year, but it was last year.

    Moore was getting a lot more reps early in the year and he is the fastest slot guy. But he is a short, lightweight guy, whose issue is contested catches. Where as Crowder and Cole can make big catches with bodies on them, and can block a little better on edge runs/screens. Moore relies on his speed to get separation. Its possible this is a situational change in our offense. Especially with our screen heavy approach.
     
  12. ouchy

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    This is not aimed at you cval, but since you brought up Smith. Its aimed at some other posters from the draft days.

    Remember when I said with Smith you get the skill set of Rice and Moss, and people laughed me into the ground for adding Moss, for like 5 pages? Well PFF just used Smith for their Play of the Week and I cant resist:

    It’s only fitting that the matchup gave us the play of the week, as Smith handled Surtain’s physicality with ease and “Mossed” him in the end zone on an out-and-up for a 36-yard touchdown.

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-10-team-of-the-week-awards-key-takeaways-2021

    Just sayin...see.
     
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  13. GasedAndConfused

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    his production has gone up with less snaps so ti makes sense. we have a lot of good WRs rotate and keep them fresh
     
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    So you are telling me an "average defensive coordinator" was the can't miss, must have coaching prospect that every team in the NFL with a Head Coach vacancy were beating each other senseless to get?
     
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    Yep. That's what his history shows - two lousy years followed by two good ones. That's not much of a resume to give a guy the biggest job of his life. It says more about the process for identifying and evaluating than it does about the individual.
     
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    You know what? You've got significant evidence to support that point. Well done.
     
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    The point is it’s hard to know…you can go get a former NFL coach, you can get a college HC, or you can get a hot NFL coordinator

    good and bad head coaches have come from all of those paths….but it’s hard to know which person it will be.
     
  18. KY Jets Fan

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    Leatherwood was drafted 17th by the Raiders so not sure how you come to the conclusion he would've been available at 23.

    AVT has a better PFF grade than all 3 of the guys you mentioned. Where are you seeing Leatherwood higher than AVT?
     
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  19. ouchy

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    We traded up in the draft because it was rumored the Raiders were going to take AVT. If we didn't trade up the Raiders may, or may not, have taken AVT and that would have allowed Leatherwood to fall. Or Dickerson, or Darrisaw and Dickerson in the 2nd. For PFF maybe I was looking at the weekly grades? I don't pay for PFF so I cant say for sure and don't remember. The point is there were other promising linemen that didn't cost 3 picks.
     
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    I still take AVT over any of those guys and 2 extra 3rd's, but that's just me.
     
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